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Old 03-26-2013, 08:08 PM   #101
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I know I'll probably regret saying this, but I am so excited about starting the buffing/polishing, I just can't stand it. Someone please remind me that I said this when I'm whining about my arms and back being so sore I can't move.

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That will happen, so don't be so quick to get started.
You will also need ear, eye, and nose protection from all the black oxcide it will throw off.
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Long sleeves shirt, old pants, a hat, gloves and a paper face mask. Plan on a mess in the washer when you clean things. As I said about the wool pads...I soak things to be cleaned in TSP, usually overnight. When your done throw the cloths away...it is the easiest.
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I started buffing/polishing the rear compartment door today -- wow, am I ever sore! I was amazed at how the minor dents show up when the oxidation is removed and a shine is on there! I kept using mineral spirits to remove the black which seemed to find every indentation to get into, and I changed towels, but more and more black just kept coming onto the towels. Is there a trick to getting it all off? At what point do I stop trying to get it, when the towel doesn't show anymore black?

I have to admit that we don't know what "TSP" is, Robin, could you please let me know what it is, is that the entire name, and where do you pick it up? Thanks.

Buffing/polishing the compartment doors is tricky -- you must be very careful when getting close to the outside edges as the wheel will catch the flange and try to flip the door. You must watch the direction the wheel is rotating in as to how you are turned.

The new stainless steel wheelwells have been fabricated, welded by my DH, and one is in place with clecos holding it against the exterior skin along with the wheelwell trim, awaiting the rivets. That stainless steel is not easy to drill holes into for the rivets!!! The drill bits were bending, so they used the hand drill to make indentations and then took the wheelwell to the drill press for the drill through. Whew, I was taking some ribbing about being the one pressing for the stainless steel wheelwells. (I felt strongly that they needed to be as hefty as possible to avoid damage (if possible) if there should be a blowout.)

Our friend worked on mounting the new shocks this week -- he had fabricated the new top shock mounts and had them in place, and I think today he finished mounting the shocks.

We forgot to take the camera, but we took a few pics with my phone, if I can figure out how to download them to here, I'll do so.

Hoping everyone has a wonderful weekend.

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polish away

Sounds like your having fun.
TSP Tri Sodium Phosphate. Home depot, ACE, Lowes, any paint store will have it. It comes in a box and dissolves in warm water.
I am in full cleanout mode. Floor replaced this week, windows/screens next week, misc. in the interim.
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I started buffing/polishing the rear compartment door today -- wow, am I ever sore! I was amazed at how the minor dents show up when the oxidation is removed and a shine is on there! I kept using mineral spirits to remove the black which seemed to find every indentation to get into, and I changed towels, but more and more black just kept coming onto the towels. Is there a trick to getting it all off? At what point do I stop trying to get it, when the towel doesn't show anymore black?
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Deb, if you have black left on the trailer you don't have it quite right yet. It should be all over you. If you are using the rouge bar method, it will clean the black off for you. Apply the rouge in short 1 second touches to the pad as it is spinning and every 4 or 5 times you do this hold a wire brush against the spinning pad and it will clean the black off the pad. It does throw it all over you and you need to protect from it. I had to put in a shower in my workshop just for when I polish. When you get it right the pad will pick up all the black and leave a clean surface.
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Thanks Doug, I guess I have a lot to learn, but I'll get there. I didn't realize you needed to clean off the pads as often as that. Also, when I touch the rouge bar to the wheel, it doesn't look as though there is much on the pad, but then again, it must be there and I just can't tell.

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Thanks Doug, I guess I have a lot to learn, but I'll get there. I didn't realize you needed to clean off the pads as often as that. Also, when I touch the rouge bar to the wheel, it doesn't look as though there is much on the pad, but then again, it must be there and I just can't tell.

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Too much plugs up the wheel. It takes very little polish to work.
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A quick update to say that we haven't had much spare time for working on the Bubble lately; DH has been putting in a lot of extra time at work, actually he's there now and was yesterday also.

After he returned home yesterday afternoon, we worked on stripping paint, sealer, some ancient type of nasty, nasty glue which almost wouldn't come off, and black gunk which looked like Blackjack, or something from our window screen frames. This morning I am buffing/polishing them and cutting new screen and finishing them off so that this afternoon we can go to our friend's shop and install them. I must say again, this is a lot of tedious work which takes a great deal of time and effort! It will be so worth it in the end, but just getting there is going to be a challenge. When you think you have something done and can move along to another, something pops up which you hadn't considered before and it's like hitting a wall. I must say, after working on buffing/polishing I don't have any trouble getting to sleep and sleeping well through the night -- the problem really is staying awake until bedtime!

Someone also painted the inside of the rear compartment door, so this am I'm stripping that also so they can install it soon too.

I'll post more pics later this week as we received notification that we had used 75 percent of our data usage for the month.

One wonderful thing about today here in Ohio, even though it is overcast and calling for rain off and on for the next five or so days, the temp is up into the 60's hurray!!

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We are neck and neck

I know the feelings you mention....especially TIRED.
I will do my screens and windows later this week. I use bronze screen.

The inside of the rear door was originally painted Zolatone. Have fun stripping it. I had three rear doors made up. I had to remove the one on Babs (my #2 Bubble) for replacement....and I had to drill out the rivet line below it so I could install my belly pan. By the way, take the rear

door apart and put some insulation inside...It all makes a difference.

Rain put me off schedule this week. I am finishing up the belly insulation today..A problem with removing the old surge brake hydraulic lines so I could slide the insulation sheets into place.

Beautiful day here....time for a street cruise in the Nomad.
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Robin, thanks for the tip on insulating the inside of the rear compartment. I wish I had taken you up on gettng one made when you did yours recently -- after I cleaned it up, it has a lot of small dents. But then, I guess not too many people will see it as the spare tire will cover most of that up.

I don't know anything about bronze screening, does it hold up well? We had a local hardware store go out-of-business last year, and we stopped in and bought a bunch of steel screening, etc. which we thought we could use.

I have to look around for gasket for the two compartment doors, I suppose VTS will have it.

Your Nomad -- I'm jealous! We were watching the vintage auto auction on tv the other day and there was a Nomad on there, really nice. Frank just about has our 1950 GMC five-window truck ready for paint, that's what we're going to tow our Bubble with, can't wait for that. We sold our '36 Ford year before last, expecting to have something else ready to drive, but I guess we jumped the gun and now are feeling the pain of no old car/truck to drive. Live and learn I guess.

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Another weekend, another opportunity to work on Lily. This past week we ordered all of the exterior lights and they are LED, just waiting for them to arrive. We really like the scare lights; our '99 doesn't have any outside light like that and we miss having one; we decided we were going to put one on the little girl, so I ordered one of those as well.

I called VTS and ordered gasket for the compartment doors. They didn't have any which was specific for those doors, but they had some which they thought might work, so we'll give it a try when it comes. I ordered a new stainless steel door latch (used to keep door open when parked), well, actually this is the second one we recently ordered. After thinking about it, we ordered the second one to try to use to keep the steps in place while running down the road.

I tried to order some more Trempro in silver, but they were sold out, so awaiting news that it has come in.

I have a few pics from last weekend I'll try to post. One is of the street side new wheelwell (stainless steel) and one shows our first window which was reinstalled. Also, I took a pic of one of the wheelwells (exterior) with the wheelwell trim and surrounding skin in place.

I am a little concerned that the end of the rub rail looks (in the picture) as though it is open, and wondering if we should do something to seal that up.

Scheduled work for today is to reinstall the remaining three windows/screens. This past week I cleaned up two of the rain guards which were removed, so hopefully they'll be able to get those on too.

This week we had the pleasure of having "Shacksman" stop by after the Wooster Rally, and they camped here on our property for a couple of days. We had some good conversations and learned a lot from them.

Doug showed my DH what he is using on his AS for a tongue jack (I think that's what they're called) and I believe it is hydraulic, so now we're on a quest to find one of those.

I'm hoping to be able to start work on the interior soon. Thanks for following and have a great weekend. (After having 80 degree temps here recently, this weekend we are supposed to get down into the 30's at night; calling for hard frost here tonight and I think I heard possible snow flurries in northern Ohio this weekend. Burrrrr, and this is April!?)

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Hi all, sorry for the time lapse, but life seemed to get in the way.

Anyway, I am so excited about something I found today and wanted to share it with everyone. It is "Wizards Metal Polish", says it "cleans, shines, protects". It comes in a small, metal "tin" can like bandaids used to come in with the click-on lid. Cost was around $12-$13 dollars, and was told it goes a long way; I bought their last can of it. I was skeptical, but decided to try it anyway. We bought some Wizards product (liquid) at an old car swap meet a couple of months ago, but it didn't work out as touted. I forgot to mention that I was at a local auto paint store buying paint for our '50 GMC 5-window pick-up truck, and started talking with them about Scotch Brite pads, etc, etc, one thing led to another and wallah, I walked out with this product!

Got home, was putting groceries away and couldn't wait to get out there to give it a try. Didn't even change my clothes because I didn't really think it would work. I broke off a small piece, had on rubber gloves and applied it in a circular motion until it turned really black. Used a clean cloth to wipe off, then another clean cloth to shine and it had cut through the decades of corrosion!! It still wasn't super shiny, so I repeated, and it really worked up a shine. I am wondering how a Cyclo polisher and Nuvite for the final polish would look, I don't have a Cyclo yet, but I will.

I called the paint store to thank them, again, and to relate the success story, told them I would be needing more, and they said they'll have more next week.

I am so excited. Can't wait to post pics; I did take them after each step, but when I came in to post, I remembered our all-in-one broke, or rather someone lifted the lid incorrectly and broke off a piece of the hinge so it won't work. DH has been researching for the best one for the price, so I might have to go after one if he doesn't come up with something soon.

Polishing has been the problem child for us in the process. I have to get it cleaned up and polished so I can seal the seams in order to move on to the interior -- don't want the new sub-floor ruined!

Since this has been done without the use of a machine, I can see that if I do it all the same way, my arms are going to be hurting beyond belief. I'm wondering if I can somehow, by applying enough pressure have a small piece of this "product covered cottonish fabric" -- don't really know what to call it -- laying on a clean polishing wheel instead of having to do by hand, I may try that. Certainly the polishing can be done that way instead of using a clean cloth.

Well, I'm off to change my clothes and get out there to get to work! I feel like I've been given a gift, and I guess in a way I have and I will be able to move on to the next step in Lily's renovation.

Hoping everyone has a great weekend.

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Polishing is going on again slowly. I can only do about 3-4 hours at a time and still be able to do anything else -- fingers are stiff; forearms extremely sore and back/legs the same. Monday I polished for a total of around 6 hours, and Tuesday I couldn't hardly move -- worked in the garden some and did other minor things, but I felt as though I could have slept all day! This polishing is very hard work. I think for me it is trying to apply enough pressure that is the difficult part. I am using the black rouge bar to cut through the corrosion and am getting close to having the street side done with that step (including that side of the front and rear endcaps), but still have all the other colors to go through. I think by the time I'm finished, I'll look about like Popeye or Bluto in the arms!

It is tricky too..........don't try to over reach because if you get too close to a window or seam, it can throw you. Also, getting up and down off of the ladder to "clean" out the wheel every 3-4 load-ups of the rouge bar takes quite a bit of time, in my opinion, although it is a welcome break for the sore muscles.

I don't know how I'm going to get to the top of this girl, DH said he'd probably be able to do it, but he has been busy with another project and unable to get to it. Also, I want to paint the very top of the Bubble with that white "paint" to help with heat, so I'm not certain if all of the corrosion must be off to use that? Does anyone know about this?

I'll have to go through some others' threads to find out how to remove all of the old seam "goo" so that when she's polished, I'll be able to reseal all of the seams.

I still have to paint the rear bumper/tongue/step and had fully planned to use POR-15 silver, but we were told that since most of our metal was new and not rusty, we'd have to use the POR etching paint also, making it a 3-step process and DH thought we ought to use something less involved. I say 3-step because we were told that the silver does have to have a top coat of something to protect it against UV, don't know if that's correct, but that's what we were told.

I really wish I had been keeping some sort of a spreadsheet or a list of things which either I've read about here on the Forums or someone has been nice enough to share info on, but, alas, I haven't and now I have to try to go back and remember where and when all of this information came from! I did save some threads in my "favorites", but not all of them. I know that most people, when doing a project, after it's completed wish they'd done this or that differently, but I'm really concerned about skipping an important step. I know we could go back and do it, but if it means removing the interior skins again, would we really do it!? And I'm so particular, it would drive me nuts if we didn't.

On a lighter note.............Mr/Mrs Shacksman are coming to driveway camp with us again in about a week, and we are looking forward to visiting with them again.

Still don't have a new all-in-one, but plan to go out looking either tomorrow or Friday, and as soon as we get one, I'll post some pics.

As I've stated before, if anyone has any thoughts, please share.

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did the Wizard cut thru corrosion? I mean corrosion is the swirly little spots that are almost white and can be all over the skin. Not just grey, dull old stuff.
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I can't say for certain. It did get rid of marks from the PO's tarp which had been on it for who knows how long in the burning sun on the prarie, just baking, but it did take a little more elbow grease for that. But, even at that, I think that's wonderful because the 1500 grit wet sanding was having a difficult time with that burned-in mess.

DH used some 1000 grit wet sanding before, and felt it left too many scratches, and as I think I mentioned before, the 1500 grit wore out too soon. Last night he used 1200 grit and said it got through the burned-on mess better. A huge problem was the numbers and the "ghost numbers" which remained even after sanding. It took two or three sandings to remove the "ghost"; someone else probably won't see them, but we can almost -- we know where they are tho.

I used some of that Wizard's in the metal can (very important you get the correct one because not all of the products work as well) around a couple of windows where the wheel and pad(s) could not get. Same as I said before, first use just wipe in circular motion until it gets really black. Wipe that off and reapply using just a little more pressure; buff a little with a clean cloth -- it's amazing how shiny it will be! Note: I don't know if using a circular motion when applying is the correct thing to do, but that's what I did. I'd say make your own decision as to how to apply it.
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Well, I hit "reply" too soon, as I was planning to explain what this is a picture of. On the bottom section, where you can see my brown top, is where I used the Wizard's in the two-step method I mentioned above with a light buffing with a clean cloth. On the skin just on top of that one is one that my DH had used I think light sanding and a couple of other polishes he wanted to try, as well as buffing with a clean cloth, but he definitely spent more time on it. To me, I can see a world of difference.

Please note: As is easy to see, none of this is finished work, it all needs to have much more polishing done. We have just about gotten all of the oxidation off of her, and now we (I) will do the rest, that is all that I can reach.

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I have one thing to say about polishing.......it stinks!

Well, you can see what I think of polishing! Ok, not really, I think ours is just in such a bad state because it was probably never polished before in its life. It seems to have some pitting going on, and I don't know if we'll ever be able to get it all off or not.

This is/was a beautiful weekend in Ohio -- wish we could have gone camping! It did rain Friday night into Saturday morning, but then cleared and wallah -- blue sky and extremely low humidity, a rarity for Ohio this time of the year, I actually turned off the ac!

I did some more polishing today and am attaching several more pics. One is from last weekend when DH was on a plank which ran from the deck to a tall ladder and was wet sanding with 1200 and then 1500 grit hook and loop paper. I think you can tell where we've done what to in the pictures.

Today, just for "fun", I tried the pink bar on an area where DH had been sanding last weekend; I wanted to see what the pink bar would do. Well, it didn't do a lot, as DH said, it looks as tho the skin had a bad complection in the past. I believe the pink bar must be the final rouge bars to use.

I wiped it down with mineral spirits and tried the Nuvite F-9 and then the "C"; I didn't buy the F-7, maybe I should have. I think I mislabeled these in another thread about polishing when I stated what I had been using. Well, it does get very confusing when I think of what all we have purchased to polish with: rouge bars from Jestco (a kit); Nuvite; Busches polish; Wizards -- several different products; Flitz; Lucas Metal Polish, and I think there is another one too, not to mention the various grits of sandpaper. Our friends were kidding us and said that if anyone needs some metal polished, our house is the place to go. All kidding aside, is that a little sad!? We have really been trying to get this done.

Inaddition to doing the polishing between rainy days, I have been cleaning out the seams with CitriStrip and a few tools we have accumulated to get that job done.

I now know, thanks to TOP, that I need to order a tool to get the built-up oxidation and the Nuvite product off of the wool pads, so I'm sort of "dead in the water" until that tool arrives. I think we are going to have to build another barn just to house all of the tools and products which we have purchased to use on our AS's -- and, while we're at it, it might as well be tall enough and large enough to drive in one end and out the other -- a pull-through barn! That is a dream of mine!

Well, that's all for now -- the grill should be ready and we're having quesadillas on the grill and some leftover green/yellow wax beans/ham/yukon gold potatoes from our garden, which we had yesterday. Strange combination, but hey, I'm tired and if we get done eating in time, I'm going out to mow until dark. DH painted a barn roof this afternoon, so I imagine he's too beat to help with the mowing this time.

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Mowing, painting, polishing....sounds like my world.
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Robin, I guess those of us who live out in the country always have a ton of things to do, as well as the ton of things we want to do! Sometimes it's a little hard to keep up.

Sum 75, thank you for that, I needed it. I feel as tho we've been spinning our wheels and getting no where. I really want to get it polished and everything sealed up (seams, windows, etc.) before moving it out from under the make-shift, tarp-covered overhang to start on the interior, but I just about can't stand the wait. I have so many ideas of possibilities for the interior, but can't begin any of them yet. The way I'm looking at it now, as long as I get the old interior skins off, scrub it all down, insulate, run wires, run a condensation hose for the ac, and hang the new interior skins before cold weather, then I feel I can run an electric ceramic heater in there during winter to work on the rest of the interior. Having said all that, I'd still like to get on it.

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