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Old 06-07-2008, 07:30 AM   #241
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Looking Good!

Shari, Birdy is coming alone. Rob and you are doing nice work. Hope the temp is mild. I am working on a 67GT in 97 degree weather, trying to finish in time for the Vintage East Coast Rally. Looking forward to our paths crossing again down the road.

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Old 06-07-2008, 09:05 AM   #242
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Thanks Levon ~

It's been in the low 80's...not to bad but don't forget the sunscreen working up against all that aluminum ~

Look forward to our paths crossing again sometime soon, I understand you trekked out this way last month...sorry we missed you! Oh well, next time ~

Well, said I'd get out there at 8...better get moving ...long day ahead, will try to post progress later.

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Old 06-15-2008, 01:50 AM   #243
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The thing I LOVE most about Birdy (besides the 13 panels) is all the windows.
Right now the thing I HATE the most about Birdy is all the windows!

I now know why Airstream went away from the Hehr Standard windows...they are SO unpractical! In order to just re-screen a window, it must be removed completely from the trailer! And in order to replace the weatherstripping gasket, the windows must be removed completely from the trailer!

This entails drilling out about 75-80 rivets per window. And before you can drill out the window rivets you must remove the drip caps...on the streetside, that's another 90-100 rivets! All the while, knowing you will have to re-rivet all these once you're through. We have (4) 42"x18" windows, (1) 24"x18" window and (2) 8"x18" windows...that's a lot of windows.

They had obviously never been re-screen...the screens had holes and tears in them from 52 years of use & abuse...there was probably 1 window that could have been salvaged, but once all the others were done it would stick out like a sore thumb. So, out they came ~
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Old 06-15-2008, 01:57 AM   #244
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Each window was caked with dirt, %#$@*! silicone, weatherstrip adhesive, black butyl tape, gray butyl putty, remnant weatherstripping and corrosion.
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Those screens sure look like a PITA to replace. You guys are doing a great job, thanks for the pictures.
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Old 06-15-2008, 02:17 AM   #246
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Then once you have the windows out there are all these little screws and trim pieces that have to be taken apart. Our windows had lost their seals somewhere along the way and the glass was held in with %#$@*! silicone.

The best thing I found to work on the %#$@*! silicone was McKanica Silicone Caulk Remover. It comes in a tube and it's like gelatin...really weird stuff. You let it sit about 2-3 hours until it drys out then scrape off the %#$@*! silicone...sort of. This stuff is not cheap...but it gets 98% of it off. I think we have gone through 5 tubes. I also used Permatex Gasket Remover to get the black "goo" and orange adhesive off...it usually took 3-4 applications to get it all off.

Then for the interior of the frames we used these cool finishing sander wheels to get the corrosion off and give them a nice brushed finish. The frames are not Alclad, just solid aluminum, so there is no problem with burning through the finish. I polished the outside of the frames with a buffing wheel on a drill. Not to full polish, just to get the scratches out and the corrosion off. Mr.InsideOut will finish off the polishing with the rest of the trailer.

While I was inside working on the frames, Mr.InsideOut was out cleaning off the same goo on the trailer and polishing around the areas of the drip caps.
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Old 06-15-2008, 02:32 AM   #247
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We then re-screened the inner frames...using an Off-Set Screen Roller and galvanized screen. You can't use fiberglass screen because to hold it in, you just fold it over & crimp it in the groove...see the last picture in Post #246. Aluminum screen is not as strong as the galvanized, it's thinner so it would not last. And Lord knows I don't want to do this project again!

We then glued the Hehr Standard Backframe Gasket to the screen portion of the frame and Hehr Standard Glass Seal to the window portion of the frame.

We also got all new fasteners to hold the glass and trim together...they are almost identical to the originals and it sure beat cleaning all the old ones!
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Old 06-15-2008, 02:36 AM   #248
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Then riveted the screen portion back onto the trailer - two side & bottom with bucked rivets & the top with Olympics because the ceiling has been left in the trailer (just about the only thing that has!). The line of rivets on both sides & the bottom is under the gasket and they go through the frame, gasket, trailer and c-channel frame of the trailer. The top edge we sealed with Parabond. This is before the Olympic rivets are shaved and the gasket is cleaned up. You can also see in the last picture the tab that is folded out to separate the glass portion of the frame from the screen portion of the frame.
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Old 06-15-2008, 03:05 AM   #249
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Finally, we were able to slide the window portion back in place and attach the new window operators and re-used locking handle & catch. I did paint them all to match and with silver hammer paint before installing them.

One down...how many to go??? Actually, we made good progress...two glass portions are ready to be installed in the morning - then we just have the small ones on the front to go. The 18"x42" windows basically have taken about 12-15 hours each...argh! But the end is in sight! I'll take more pics when the sun is out ~

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Old 06-15-2008, 04:46 AM   #250
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Old 06-15-2008, 06:21 AM   #251
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We then glued the Hehr Standard Backframe Gasket to the screen portion of the frame and Hehr Standard Glass Seal to the window portion of the frame.
Excellent job, what kind of glue did you use.........toastie
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Excellent job, what kind of glue did you use.........toastie
Two kinds:
1) For the Backframe Gasket Black 3M Weatherstrip Adhesive
2) And get this, for the Glass Seal, (the horror of it ) tiny little dabs 2-3" o.c. of clear automotive %#$@*! silicone on the backside, under the seal, but, but, but it's hidden by the trim!!!
I absolutely hated doing it after the great efforts it takes to clean all that %#$@* crud off, but the Glass Seal is made from silicone, it's kinda loose - not sure it would hold up to polishing over time - without something besides the metal trim pieces & the glass holding in place. That coupled with the fact that the Weatherstrip Adhesive is black (or yellow) and the seal is gray and it didn't stick well to the silicone seal, made me do it! I KNOW %#$@*! silicone is not a good waterproof sealant and shouldn't be used for that purpose, however, it DOES stick to aluminum really well - albeit when it wants to and it may not be waterproof, but as a non-waterproof adhesive it works very well!!! I didn't glue the window in, just tacked the seal in place. I kinda figured, the seals lasted almost 52+ years the first time...so I shouldn't have to replace it in my lifetime! I certainly didn't want the seal to come out thus having to deal with this again ~ I have seen lots of trailers where this seal shrinks or gets droopy over time...if a window breaks, I will have to re-do it, but the glass can be replaced without removing the whole window from the trailer.

So there, I confess...I used %#$@*! silicone on my trailer ~

You all happy now?

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Old 06-15-2008, 10:54 AM   #253
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I'm not ashamed to say that I've been required to use small amounts of %#$@*! silicone. You are not alone although few admit it openly as you have. There are just some places where it makes sense and others where the PO should be shot for ever buying the stuff.

Great job you guys are doing.

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I'm not ashamed to say that I've been required to use small amounts of %#$@*! silicone. You are not alone although few admit it openly as you have. There are just some places where it makes sense and others where the PO should be shot for ever buying the stuff.

Great job you guys are doing.

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Glad to hear we're not alone...guess we're in good company!

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Old 09-19-2008, 03:51 PM   #256
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I am soooOOOOOoooo happy to report, we FINALLY got all the windows done! WooHoo! They are all back in their place with new screens, levers and cranks and leak free. We just have to put the drip caps back on, we may get to that this weekend - but not likely, we will be replacing Maxwell's streetside panel. We want to get it out of the garage before it gets damaged. Fall is in the air and "too-cold-to-work-outside-weather" is on it's way. Don't want to be caught mid-project with inclimate weather and a missing panel. We should be able to get it done Saturday/Sunday - we did almost two in a weekend last time when we did Fred's GT & Birdy (see posts 227-234 in this thread) but, you all know how these "projects" can go sideways when you least expect it...

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Old 09-19-2008, 05:20 PM   #257
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So there, I confess...I used %#$@*! silicone on my trailer ~

You all happy now?

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Shari , i have an almost full case of Aircraft grade silicone remover, should you feel guilty enough to ever want to redo all the windows...
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Glad to hear you are making progress and not "going sideways" as of today. I too am chugging along and wanted to post my new blog for anyone interested. I can't promise how often it will be updated, but I'll give it the college try.
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Old 10-26-2008, 12:37 AM   #259
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Okay...day late and a couple of dollars short! But here are the pics of our tanks - placed temporarily in the frame just resting on the belly pan.

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Shari,
As I think about the eventual restoration of my '55 Safari, I think about adding gray and black tanks somehow. I see where you chose to put tanks in your '56 Safari. What are you planning to do to add plumbing vents for these tanks? Will you be running a pipe (or two) up thru the roof to vent them? Will you run the vent pipe(s) up along a bathroom wall? How do you plan to cap the vents to keep rain out? Or is there some other way to vent them (perhaps out the side of the trailer somehow)? If that is possible, I wonder if venting them anyplace other than the roof has "odor" concerns?

Keep up the good work! I hope I can do even half as nice on mine.
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Hey Joe ~

We actually had a vent inside the shower that was just connected to the kitchen drain pipes. It was run on the inside of the shower against the panel separating the kitchen and bath. It vents on the top and there is a little cover over the opening (see below) that at first we thought was a patch...but we've since seen it on other trailers so we know it's not. We plan on re-using the same vent hole for the new tanks.

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