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Old 10-04-2016, 10:29 PM   #169
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Rear Panel must go

The rear panel seems to be delaminating underneath the taillights. Havenít seen that anywhere else, but itís not acceptable. There is also some minor adjustments to fitment that need to be fixed. It is surprising how such a small variance, which I would estimate at maybe 1/4Ē shows so much. The first step is supporting the front and rear of the trailer so that it matches the level before the shell came off. Using the jackstands and pallets I had on hand, I propped it up. Then to start drilling out the old rivets. How are they in such a non-straight line?
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Old 10-09-2016, 04:32 PM   #170
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Rear panel going on

The rear panel surprised me with nothing to seal between the seam, and it looks to me like water has been in there. Trempro will go in to seal the new sheet.

Used the old panel as a template, and cut to shape. Used the clamp style cleco fasteners to hold it in position before starting to drill out holes for the rivets. Then I started drilling in the middle of the bottom and working inside to out to ensure that there wasnít any panel bunching. A little bit of pressing and pulling was required to get the two rear corner panels into position where they were from the original rear panel, to ensure I didnít change the shape of the trailer overall.

Before placing the new panel I also polished around the periphery of the panels where the seams and the window edge will be. There was a great deal of corrosion and crud, and I wanted a clean surface to seal against. Finally, I began the process of test fitting the rear cargo door and rear window. I bought a nibbler to cut out the tail light opening later on.
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Old 10-10-2016, 08:29 PM   #171
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Some small projects in the way

A couple of small projects getting in the way. Making a bit of cider.

And literally, a pile of reclaimed wood in the way of the trailer.
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Old 10-10-2016, 10:22 PM   #172
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More photos of the rear panel going on

I have seen a number of restoration threads and blogs showing panel replacement. These generally donít give one a full appreciation of the amount of tasks and work required.

After drilling out the old one, using it as a template and cutting out a new panel there is quite a bit.

Firstly, cleaning up the area to put in the new panel. I polished it and actually had to sand a small portion where there was a bit of corrosion.

Then some test fitting to get it into position to ensure that everything still fit. Once clamped into place, I had to check that the window with the escape hatch and the baggage door would still fit. Small adjustments. Check again. Wiggle some more. Reclamp. Check again. Realize the inside of the C-channel will be in the way of bucking rivets on the bottom edge, trim that out with the metal shears. Start the whole alignment process over and repeat.

Start drilling on the bottom, where I knew there was less flex and chance of being distorted or misaligned in any way. Start in the middle and work outward, drilling and fastening with Clecos. Then up the sides, constantly checking alignment with the other panels, especially on the first few.

Then the rear window with the escape hatch. First to put it in place and clamp the hatch and window into position with as perfect alignment as possible. Then slide the window into position. Then start to wiggle, press, wrangle, push, pull and squeeze the corners of the window into position to align the old rivet holes. Sadly, no way now to clamp.

The layers of the window frame and corners of the rear end cap pieces at the window will not bind together to get a new Cleco into. Not only that itís not extraordinarily difficult to get the interior frame piece to clamp on as well. PauseÖteach 13 year old to operate Cleco pliers. Attempt to clamp. Show 13 year old again. Attempt to clamp. Demonstrate for 13 year old again. Finally, heís got it. Apparently heís got the same acumen for them as his father when starting. Clamp across the top. Then push from inside and outside simultaneously to get the corner.

Start at the bottom of the window again and tack into place, middle, then the corners. Then up the sides, holding it in place to maintain the alignment. Redistribute Clecos because I lack an infinite supply. Continue to drill out and fasten the remaining support braces. Then finally the cargo door frame. Holding the back frame gasket in position and adjusting while drilling.

There is now a goodly amount of aluminum shavings in the cracks and crevices from drilling all the holes. Slowly disassemble and wipe things down to remove all the shavings and then vacuum any remnants. Then start to place the butyl tape. Align and start to reclamp. Realize that itís still too thick for the seams between panels. Remove clamps, and then the butyl tape, and try to save it and reapply to the window frame. Run a bead of Trempro along the seams. Clean up the extra. Replace the panel, and then all of the Cleco fasteners. Re-clean the excess Trempro. Let it all dry.

Begin checking and redrilling where needed to fit the rivets. Then slowly with the grudging assistance of a 10 year old, start bucking them into place. Now, realize that your rivet gun hasnít been used in 2+ years. Tap it a bit on the wall. Look up why it might be causing a problem. It makes lots of noise, but doesnít hit hard enough to buck a rivet. Based on the manufacturers instructions, add it lots of oil and smack it some more with a rubber mallet to free the piston. Then more oil, then on the wood of the wall beam. Smash your finger. (Damn, that really hurt, feeling a bit weak in the knees.) Get the piston loose. Test it on a piece of scrap wood. Work slowly on getting the piston to stay unstuck through the first 50 rivets. Fiddle with the spring repeatedly, then just remove it. Add more oil, beat on it, test and now itís working properly.

With the 10 year oldís growing enthusiasm due to the pick up in riveting pace, its remove Cleco, re-drill, insert rivet, check length, align bucking bar, hammer with the rivet gun, check and complete. Repeat another 190 or so times. Clean up the random screws in the skin from the previous owner and seal with rivets. Finally, high five the 10 year oldÖand try not to wince at the now sprained or broken finger.
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Old 10-11-2016, 07:36 AM   #173
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Old 10-11-2016, 08:07 PM   #174
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well done
Thank you! I can only aspire the quality work I have seen in your thread. Another one that helps keep me motivated to keep going.
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Old 10-12-2016, 06:49 AM   #175
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Matt, ready to tackle the window rebuild can you share what window gasket you used from VTS please? Did you use it on all the windows? Thanks !
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Matt, ready to tackle the window rebuild can you share what window gasket you used from VTS please? Did you use it on all the windows? Thanks !
I used the standard backframe gasket for the backframe:

http://www.vintagetrailersupply.com/...-p/vts-199.htm

And the gray version for the front frame:

http://www.vintagetrailersupply.com/...-p/vts-195.htm

But with the benefit of hindsight I would have used the black version, which I don't think was available when I was buying. The gray tends to attract and show any dirt or aluminum residue on your hands. I used mineral spirits to remove most of it, but it wasn't perfect. I think the black looks better as well.

You reminded me of something else. I used 1/8" glass for most of the windows. It's worth it to use tempered glass on all four of the biggest windows. A little thicker won't hurt if your retention brackets are bent in, allowing a larger gap with the front frame. I don't think any further sealant is beneficial.
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Old 10-21-2016, 09:54 PM   #177
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Sealing and riveting

Before riveting, I sealed the corner panels and the rear panel. I had initially noted that the panels werenít sealed at all. This was a little surprising, and disappointing. No matter how tight the rivets appear to be from the factory, they leaked.

Not wanting to see this happen again, I planned to seal them. First, I had to disassemble completely in order to ensure that all of the aluminum shavings from the drilling were gone.

I sealed the corner panels with Trempro. I first tried to seal the rear panel with butyl tape, but it was really too thick and not compressible enough rivet well.

I also took a few minutes to polish the bottom edges of the corner panels and in the inside rear edges to get rid of any surface gunk, corrosion, etc. to ensure a clean surface to seal against when I started putting in Trempro.

Then I started at the bottom from the middle out in order to ensure that there was no bunching and the corner panels aligned.
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Old 10-21-2016, 10:28 PM   #178
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My shop had an unexpected visitor in the form of a hummingbird. Havenít seen any in Kansas before. Sorry for the blurriness, they move fast.

Things were a little slowed when my assistant, helping me temporarily with the mower, decided to take a nap. He slept through a good share of the subfloor too. I must be working him too hard.
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