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Old 05-20-2013, 08:14 AM   #57
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Great pics Tim. Now you're about where I am on mine. I worked on the belly skins for a while but decided to pay a pro to do that for me since I'm mostly working by myself. Keep up the good work!
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Old 05-20-2013, 08:40 AM   #58
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That is so nice it is a shame to cover it all up. About that white stuff......you and wife have to pack up an become Winter Texans.
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Old 05-20-2013, 08:57 AM   #59
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Maybe some day Robin, right now I still have to work all winter so I can afford to play part of the summer.
I have the next 2 days off and hoping to get a lot done if the dang rain will let up a bit. Guess I'm gonna find out where the first round of leaks are...
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Old 05-20-2013, 09:49 AM   #60
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Fantastic work ! Love the pics & can appreciate all the work you are putting into this project for sure !! Can't wait to get back to our restoration on our '74 Argosy. Our home renovation is about to be complete after 4 long & VERY tiring yrs of work on ALL our vacation days & most off days........Hopefully, the RV reno will be a relaxing break compared to a total house reno. LOL
Thanks for all the inspiration & we will be following your post.
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Old 05-20-2013, 09:58 AM   #61
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Holy Smokes

Hi Tim and Jen,

Jason here.. the guy that sold you that GIANT project!! I just stumbled onto your thread. Wow, you guys are not messing around! You have more than one upped me in project size. I think that the paint stripping is the least enjoyable part of the project.. glad youre done with that! All the work looks great. Nice job. I finally got my 61 GT put back together and took it out for 10 days. For interior walls, I completely stripped, then painted the lower panels with Zolotone and left the upper panels exposed aluminum.. opposite for the end caps.

I said it when you bought it.. Those years of the FC are the coolest of cool for Airstream. You will have the ultimate AS when you finish it.. whale tail to boot! Just please keep those upper metal cabinets!!

Can't remember if I mentioned it when you bought it, but that trailer supposedly toured Africa and more.. Not sure if you can archive that vin for the caravans from 50 years ago.. Awesome trailer. Keep the momentum!
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Old 05-20-2013, 10:07 AM   #62
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Hi Jason, I've seen a few of your posts and thought that might be you.
Yes we will be keeping the overheads, in fact the father in law is fabricating another to match so we will have an uninterupted run over the long curbside windows. the original floor plan was a little odd but we are keeping to the general theme with custom upgrades planned. I have fallen in love with parts of David Winicks designs and plan to steal ideas mercilessly where ever I find them
Have you posted pics of yours yet?
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Old 05-20-2013, 10:14 PM   #63
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Rained all morning so I couldn't work on the cloud early like I wanted. So.. instead I decided to build some much needed shelving in the carriage house and practice with the Kreg jig. Learned a lot, especially that cheap pine splits! Who knew? The shelves came out pretty well for a first effort. When the rain finally ended I did the final fitting on the front hold down plate and wheel wells and settled the shell, hopefully for the last time. Tomorrow the rear hold down plate goes in and then all new c channel for the straight runs on the sides.
I got incredibly lucky on the c channels in the curves. All 4 corner curves are made of the same extrusion as the main bows in the shell! Heavy duty 1 piece extrusions and in nearly perfect shape.

If anybody has records of the Africa caravan Jason mentioned I would be very interested in verifying whether my cloud participated. It does have ghost images of both the round and rectangular Wally Byam Caravan stickers on the front and back panels above the windows.
How cool would that be?
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Old 05-21-2013, 08:31 AM   #64
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Tim,

I haven't post pics of the GT. Im having computer issues, and cant figure out how do it from my phone! But, I will eventually. Their like an old house.. their never "done". I haven't really done anything to the exterior yet.

It would be cool to know if your cloud did do any of Wallys caravans.. That was right in Wally's active caravan days. Evidence of the square shaped one was a metal plaque ( I think) , that early members were given. I understand those are almost non-existent nowadays.

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Old 05-23-2013, 10:09 AM   #65
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Old 05-23-2013, 02:58 PM   #66
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Is that 4336? Our Safari also had the WB sticker on it and the 54 Flying Cloud shows the remanents of an Arizona Automobile Assoc. sticker.
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Old 08-08-2013, 11:17 PM   #67
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I finally figured out today just what it is that every body loves about polishing. WOW that is hard work.
I have been continuing my quest to have the second strongest airstream on the planet, no way I am going to claim that honor with Kips GT as my holy grail. Squared up and reinforced the front and rear vent openings, I am pretty sure the guy who cut those holes was drunk or cross eyed. Not even close to square but they are now..
Drilled out the original Hehr vents and it seemed a shame to waste all those holes so I broke out the 30"brake and bent up some L angles for the sides and used C channel for the side to side bracing. shot it all in wet with trempro for sealing. Not quite as elegant as Kips vents but they are really strong and as an added benefit the roof had a pretty flat cross section of about 14.5" wide originally and with the reinforcing the roof smoothed out wide enough for the Fantastic Fans and eventual A/C install to about 16" wide.
Finished tying all the overhead ribs and stringers together with buck riveted L brackets fabricated from salvaged C channel which was previously replaced. As a final touch, I really didn't like the fact that the fore to aft stringers had spaces of over 20" without connections to the skin. So I drilled out a few more rivets, fixed a little corrosion, and re riveted 3" on center, again shot wet with trempro. I went from a roof that scared me if I reached up and shook it to a roof that I can reach up and hang from easily (and I'm not skinny) Realistically added a total of maybe 2 pounds of channel and rivets and I am a lot more confident about the roof strength.
I watched Uwe climb up onto Kens 55FC at the resto rally 2 years ago to install a FF and if I had known then that Kens roof was as poorly constructed as mine I would have been a lot more nervous. There just was no structure there at all . 2 wimpy side to side rib connections ( 4" long sections of .025 C channel) was all there was in the entire 12' center section between the end caps
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Old 08-09-2013, 08:26 AM   #68
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I finally figured out today just what it is that every body loves about polishing. WOW that is hard work.
I have been continuing my quest to have the second strongest airstream on the planet, no way I am going to claim that honor with Kips GT as my holy grail. Squared up and reinforced the front and rear vent openings, I am pretty sure the guy who cut those holes was drunk or cross eyed. Not even close to square but they are now..
Drilled out the original Hehr vents and it seemed a shame to waste all those holes so I broke out the 30"brake and bent up some L angles for the sides and used C channel for the side to side bracing. shot it all in wet with trempro for sealing. Not quite as elegant as Kips vents but they are really strong and as an added benefit the roof had a pretty flat cross section of about 14.5" wide originally and with the reinforcing the roof smoothed out wide enough for the Fantastic Fans and eventual A/C install to about 16" wide.
Finished tying all the overhead ribs and stringers together with buck riveted L brackets fabricated from salvaged C channel which was previously replaced. As a final touch, I really didn't like the fact that the fore to aft stringers had spaces of over 20" without connections to the skin. So I drilled out a few more rivets, fixed a little corrosion, and re riveted 3" on center, again shot wet with trempro. I went from a roof that scared me if I reached up and shook it to a roof that I can reach up and hang from easily (and I'm not skinny) Realistically added a total of maybe 2 pounds of channel and rivets and I am a lot more confident about the roof strength.
I watched Uwe climb up onto Kens 55FC at the resto rally 2 years ago to install a FF and if I had known then that Kens roof was as poorly constructed as mine I would have been a lot more nervous. There just was no structure there at all . 2 wimpy side to side rib connections ( 4" long sections of .025 C channel) was all there was in the entire 12' center section between the end caps
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Tim, did you take any photos of the L angles and C channel for the side to side bracing? If so, I would like to see what you did. Thanks, Hank
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Old 08-09-2013, 10:15 AM   #69
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I am another who is in great need of better understanding your adjustments!

Yeah, afraid to say it but its just spider poop on the interweb w/o photographs
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Old 08-09-2013, 03:04 PM   #70
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Yeah, I know about the photos will try to post tonite.
I realized I never did explain the random polishing comment.
I had already decided to replace the rear panel under the Hehr escape window due to extreme corrosion around the Bargman no.9 lights so I tore into that project yesterday. Pulled the window and access hatch frames then the panel. Got to looking at the surrounding framework and decided that I could do much better so a couple hours later I fitted and clecoed in the new panel along with all new C channel in long continuous runs instead of the almost random pieces there originally. really solid even just with a few clecos for alignment
I didn't want to chance damaging newly installed and sealed panel seams by polishing over them so I pre polished the frames and along the seams before final fitting the new pieces. That was the hardest work of the day physically.
Just waiting now for Jen to come home then I will disassemble, vulkem, reassemble and shoot rivets. Should be a fun ol' Friday night!
Its getting to the point where I can see the light at the end of the tunnel and it looks less like a train every day.
Last week I installed a full length 12' awning rail on the street side for a vintage awning, again taking the opportunity to add a C channel full length for support. I will remove the curb side awning rail next which was originally mounted with only 10 rivets along the 12' length then reinstall, again adding a long c channel and re spacing the rivets to the 4" centers which was predrilled on the street side rail.
Final major structural project will be to remove all the rivets along the joint between the full length roof sheet and the side curves. these seams were actually riveted with good rivet spacing of about 1.25 inches on center but no support and lots of road flexing means that it leaked almost the entire length. this also gives me the opportunity to tighten the skin properly to the ribs and reduce the ripples in the upper skin.
I always thought my wife was the OCD one in this relationship but i am beginning to wonder....
pictures next- promise
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