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04-29-2011, 11:00 AM
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2 Rivet Member
1971 31' Sovereign
Dallas
, Texas
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 52
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My '71 Sovereign project
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04-29-2011, 11:25 AM
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Rivet Master
Currently Looking...
Sioux Falls
, South Dakota
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 2,403
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More . . .
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04-29-2011, 02:39 PM
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#3
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2 Rivet Member
1971 31' Sovereign
Dallas
, Texas
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 52
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or less?
"Capt.,She can't give no more".
I've got nothing else but illusions until I can get back on it. I bought a ZIP Dee awing from our forum and left it at the local old AS dealer to install as I didn't think I could do it well by myself in this wind we been having, they called yesterday and said it is too long. He said they can be cut down but said they wouldn't do it, went to pick it up this AM and someone else said they would do it so will lose another weekend of progress.
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04-29-2011, 02:43 PM
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Rivet Master
Currently Looking...
Sioux Falls
, South Dakota
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 2,403
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I wouldn't want you to break a blood vessel in your eye trying to grunt up an illusion just to satisfy my picture addiction:-) The revival of the trailer looks heroic. I'm impressed! Thanks for posting.
Gary
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04-29-2011, 02:59 PM
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2 Rivet Member
1971 31' Sovereign
Dallas
, Texas
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 52
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04-29-2011, 03:49 PM
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Rivet Master
Currently Looking...
Sioux Falls
, South Dakota
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 2,403
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Wow! Nice rig! It's okay to talk about the tow vehicle (if you like) too:-)
Thanks for posting!
Gary
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05-10-2011, 06:02 PM
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4 Rivet Member
1980 20' Caravelle
Ogden
, Utah
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 443
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Bermshot,
Could you give some details about the gas fireplace? Is it vented or not? What kind is it? Does it run on 12V? Does the face of it get so hot that it would be dangerous for small kids? It looks amazing and I'd love to try something like that.
Thanks,
Tim
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05-10-2011, 06:48 PM
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Rivet Master
1972 31' Sovereign
Lexington
, Minnesota
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 3,991
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Your ceiling is tin? I was thinking along those lines, toying with the idea.... How do you like it?
Kay
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05-11-2011, 08:07 AM
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2 Rivet Member
1971 31' Sovereign
Dallas
, Texas
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 52
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The fireplace is a vent-less self contained unit I got at Northern Tool. It was made to hang on a wall so it does need a space perimeter around it, The glass front does not get very hot as the heat rises from the top vent. It has a small standard Coleman type propane bottle and Piezo igniter.
I had removed the furnace but the external vent area is still open but, based on cubic footage I wasn't too worried about the CO along with vent. I tried to set it up with a 12 V servo motor to bring it out from the wall but I lost the space I needed when I moved my oven to that area below stove top, so I ended up just using drawer tracks and pull it out. I will also put my tandem on demand water heaters under the counter.
I just took this trailer out for the first time a few weeks back and surprisingly for Tx, I did use the fireplace at night. The heat does rise to the top of the trailer and spreads out, had to turn it off as it has no T-stat function. Looks great at night!
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05-11-2011, 08:23 AM
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2 Rivet Member
1971 31' Sovereign
Dallas
, Texas
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 52
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Kay. It is a Faux tin look with plastic tiles from the big box hardware stores so it did the curves great. I had bought some bigger 2 x 3 sheets from a company in Fl but was not happy with the cheap paper thin stuff they sent and returned it for a loss. I could not get the ones I used on any contractor pricing so it got a little pricey for the area. I still have to do the final trim around the Vistaview windows but was pushed for time on our 1st use trip. They have an overlap pattern so you do have to trim the corners to keep them from layering too high on 2 sides. Sure they are made of some kind of polypropelyne so they are not fire resistant. I used a panel glue and contact cement on some harder to attach surfaces and time will tell how it holds up to the Tx heat while parked in my yard this summer.
I've been at a stalemate with the trailer in the shop going on it's 4th week now with the dealer dragging their feet getting my awning on !! The used unit I got was too long and they said they could cut it down but don't seem to want to get to it now. I've missed prime time getting work done while it is still cool enough to get 8 -10 hrs in on it during the weekends.
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05-11-2011, 11:31 AM
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Rivet Master
1973 27' Overlander
Tucson
, AZ
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 1,480
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Nice job!! Thanks for the pics - love what you have done. Sorry about your wait on the awning - feel your pain in loosing time.
Question about that sweet kitchen light fixture.... did you alter it for 12v use or is it strictly 110?
Laura
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05-11-2011, 03:18 PM
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#12
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2 Rivet Member
1971 31' Sovereign
Dallas
, Texas
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 52
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The kitchen light is still 110 and those halogen are HOT, found some 12V with that GU10 type base but as stated , been with out the tlr for over 3 weeks. With the new over head domes I did put in HD 12 V standard fixture bulbs used in auto drop lights.
I have the front about high 80% done,still need to frame and trim up the oven change up, Refeer & MW area. I think I am going to recess the tv and mount and use the rest of the void between the refeer wall for a fold down desk/bar opening and some kind of roll out storage for the last bottom 3rd space.
I was hoping to get going on the plumbing but best laid of plans .... and I'm no help on time managment, oh- look a puppy, let's go ride our bikes !
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05-11-2011, 10:02 PM
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#13
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4 Rivet Member
1980 20' Caravelle
Ogden
, Utah
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 443
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bermshot
The fireplace is a vent-less self contained unit I got at Northern Tool. It was made to hang on a wall so it does need a space perimeter around it, The glass front does not get very hot as the heat rises from the top vent. It has a small standard Coleman type propane bottle and Piezo igniter.
I had removed the furnace but the external vent area is still open but, based on cubic footage I wasn't too worried about the CO along with vent. I tried to set it up with a 12 V servo motor to bring it out from the wall but I lost the space I needed when I moved my oven to that area below stove top, so I ended up just using drawer tracks and pull it out. I will also put my tandem on demand water heaters under the counter.
I just took this trailer out for the first time a few weeks back and surprisingly for Tx, I did use the fireplace at night. The heat does rise to the top of the trailer and spreads out, had to turn it off as it has no T-stat function. Looks great at night!
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Thanks so much for the info. I am a bit nervous about any vent free options, but it makes everything SO much easier.
Tim
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05-23-2011, 08:46 PM
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1 Rivet Member
1972 31' Sovereign
Valdosta
, Georgia
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 9
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Did/are you relocating the bath? I am looking at doing the same reconfig and am trying to figure out what to do with the W/H and if I can move the black tank.
Any feedback would be great.
Thanks
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05-24-2011, 06:23 AM
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2 Rivet Member
1971 31' Sovereign
Dallas
, Texas
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 52
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I am moving the bath up to the mid curb side so will have to get tanks made & moved. My black tank was leaking, ruined the rear floor so decided to do a complete makover to my taste or lack of. I plastic welded the tank but doubt I can use it now with the black tank needing to be under the axles and the grey in the next frame member aft. Then will need to map out the drainage piping for a clean exit.
The bath area will be open across the girth with doors providing privacy while in use. toilet, sink and shower on the curb and closets on both sides of the mid window and a dressing bench below it. I had to cut & plastic weld a standard shower pan to fit my needs and the next project is to get the plumbing and bath layed in. I plan on putting a gas and electric demand W/H in tandem under the sink area and use the vent that was for the furnace.
I have lost 6 weeks now to putting the tlr in the RV shop for an Zip Dee install that has gone wrong when I bought a used unit that ends up being for a later model AS. After getting the tube & fabric cut down last week, they called yesterday to say the arms do not have the correct bend for my 71'. Need to track down correct hardware now.
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02-28-2012, 10:29 AM
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#16
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1 Rivet Member
1974 31' Sovereign
Mooresville
, North Carolina
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 13
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How difficult was replacing the back flooring? I need to do this on mine but not sure if I should replace or just recover with more plywood. Thanks.
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02-29-2012, 06:11 AM
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2 Rivet Member
1971 31' Sovereign
Dallas
, Texas
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 52
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Mine was rotten to the edge so had to replace it wall to wall. It is a fair amount of work but I am by no means anything above average in skills, just stupid enough to think I can do it and tear into things. I had gutted the entire trailer except the kitchen cabinets so had a clean rear trailer.
As the plywood is underneath the outer walls I had to cut through the rusted stove type bolts. I did it the easiest way I could so I cut the plywood so there was a seam down the middle of the trailer with a left and a right side. I slid in one side and then slid in the other side pushing at the corner angle until it dropped down flush. I then came in from the bottom and tied the two pieces together at the seam with another 3/4 board stip and sealed the top. then came back in with some through bolts to bring the body back to the frame. I did damage the rear corner sheet metal some after I had transported the trailer from one yard to another with out it being supported while I had it cut out. Was able to beat it out and the bumper will cover most of the wrinkled sight of it.
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02-29-2012, 06:53 AM
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#18
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2 Rivet Member
1971 31' Sovereign
Dallas
, Texas
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 52
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I was laid off from my job in late Sept and have had to put so much on the back burner to conserve funds. I have not been able to complete this project as timely as wanted and can't believe it has been alomost a yr. since I have posted.
I did get the black & gray tanks in and put the black between the axles and the gray aft of the rear axle, getting the plumbing roughed in and all the drains set up behind the left rear wheel area. The biggest glitch is the black did not fit up flush to the floor area as the 3" outlet would not have cleared the rear frame member to axle area. Will have to figure out how I will enclose the bottom now. I got the basic bath area laid out and tried to build some cabinets but the birch plywood did not come out as well as I wanted so when I get some $ I may use Veneer over it all.
You can find these pics in my gallery now.
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