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Old 07-24-2014, 04:41 PM   #43
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Here it is. I screwed up all the wiring when removing the panels and didn't label any of it. So I'm going to at least mark where the outlets go and rip that out tonight and clean it all up in there.
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Old 07-24-2014, 06:24 PM   #44
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Have you saved any of the interior bits? The old aluminum panels, any of the bulkheads? If you are not going to reuse them, at the very least they are very good to keep around as templates for any new stuff that goes in.

Sounds like you are going hell bent for leather, you may want to slow down and make sure you know what comes out so you'll have a better idea of what has to go back in. And if the job starts to slow down a bit and you find yourself 6 mos from now wondering exactly how this or that was originally set up, you'll know what I'm talking about
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Old 07-24-2014, 06:46 PM   #45
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Why rip out the wiring? I imagine the DC wire at least is fine unless it the insulation is cracked. Unless you REALLY want to redesign the entire electrical system. You old interior skins has areas for lights etc. ask around and get a service manual for your year it will give you wiring schematics so that you can figure out the wiring if you didn't label anything.


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Old 07-24-2014, 08:19 PM   #46
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I tried replacing the shower pan. Please help.

Fwiw , when I went back together I went with hardly any 12 volt at all, trailer running lights, water pump, scare lights, and a few auxiliary lights in the cabinets.

I run pretty much all 120 volt through an inverter.

It seems to work pretty (very) well, it is much more simple as there is only one wiring system.

This helped me with my goal of using the trailer 90 days after purchase with a full gutting in between.


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Old 07-24-2014, 08:24 PM   #47
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Good GOD man, what have you gotten yourself into?
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Old 07-24-2014, 08:33 PM   #48
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Taking apart is easy enough....

Putting it together takes perseverance.

Frankly, from the first post I have seriously considered that the OP is pulling our leg just a bit and he never intended on putting the stock stuff back in....

I also suspect that he might just put that trailer together quick......




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Old 07-24-2014, 08:37 PM   #49
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When I put my trailer together I intentionally didn't post my progress and my ideas because I built a very unconventional trailer that would have induced controversy.....

I knew what I wanted, and it was enough to persuade my family of what I was going to do let alone trying to battle most of the forum......


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Old 07-24-2014, 09:13 PM   #50
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I tried replacing the shower pan. Please help.

Back to answer some of your questions in post 8, my son, my wife and myself did most all of the work with a little help from my niece and my daughter.

My plan was unconventional;

"Studio apartment" design, no bedroom, queen bed in the front. I figured since the trailer is for my wife and I, I didn't need to waste valuable floor space on a separate bedroom.

I wanted a functional Kitchen, big enough to comfortably cook in.

I wanted a full size shower, with limitless hot water when the trailer is at a campsite with connections.

I wanted a full size flush toilet with a real trap.

I wanted a full wood interior.

I knew I was going to gut my interior before I bought the trailer. At first I felt a bit of shame at discarding the original interior, but that passed pretty quick.

This was my first attempt at carpentry, a skilled woodworker would likely find plenty of fault with my work, but it is pretty much what I wanted. Simple design and assembly, Rustic but warm.

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The thing is,,,, without having to worry about having to put the old stuff back,,, you can do whatever you want with your trailer.

Good luck with the project, and above all,,, stay with it, if you do you can get it done quick, and do a great job of it.


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Old 07-24-2014, 10:26 PM   #51
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Your trailer looks beautiful, and uniquely yours. I can't imagine why you would worry about controversy. There's always someone (especially on the internet) who wants to tell someone else why what they are doing is wrong! Doesn't mean you have to listen to them Nice job!
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Old 07-24-2014, 10:35 PM   #52
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Thank you!

I think I like and enjoy it too much.




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Old 07-24-2014, 11:45 PM   #53
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Wow J. Morgan, thanks for the additional pictures. Very very inspirational!

I did save all the interior skins and want to put those back in. I labeled them before I took them out and then I did something I thought would be helpful, I walked around and filmed each of the labels. That way I would know where exactly "g" went and if it went over or under "h". The big plastic end caps are intact and I can use those for sure.

As for the wires. A bunch of lights were real finicky or didn't work at all. I think Micky Mouse was the culprit. So I guess I'll be wiring from scratch. I think that may make things more sensicle for me anyway.

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Now if someone could just tell me what that red wire connects to

And J. Morgan, I'm very interested to hear about your water heater. Is it just an "on-demand" type from a house?
And your toilet is a house toilet too? I'll be needing a new toilet in case you didn't see my post.
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Old 07-25-2014, 01:02 AM   #54
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I tried replacing the shower pan. Please help.

The hw heater is a residential unit I got from Overstock.com for a little less than $500 if I remember right.

It makes 7 gallons a minute, and produces a very even temperature, I set it on 113 degrees and enjoy endless showers.

It specifically marketed as not for RV use..... But I used it anyway. So far so good, and it is quite compact.

The toilet actually came out of my parents house. I adjusted the float low in the tank to save water and black tank space. I sealed the lid with rubber strip, and flush the tank empty before travel.

At about gallon for a complete flush, we have to be judicious (small flushes) when not hooked to services, but if I had to do it over again I would do the same again.

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The stove we used is a 20" wide "apartment stove", (made in America believe it or not) it works great too.

I ditched the furnace too and installed a Williams direct vent wall furnace. We have tested it to the single digits and it easily keeps the trailer warm.

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ALL of this stuff requires 120 volts to run so an inverter is an integral part of my trailer.

Oh yea, this furnace is not RV certified either,,,, and again I bought and used it anyway. It does work when the trailer is being towed at 65 mph.... And it only required a 2" vent.

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Old 07-25-2014, 01:10 AM   #55
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I am not recommending that anyone use appliances not certified for RV use, I am just saying I did use them after thinking it over and examining the inner workings for sound construction.


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Old 07-25-2014, 01:16 AM   #56
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I tried replacing the shower pan. Please help.

I should also include this disclaimer, moving EVERYTHING was made a lot easier because I covered the old aluminum skins with wood.

In other words, I didn't need to worry about there being holes etc in the old skins because of where old fixtures, bulkheads, cabinets, etc were as they were getting covered anyway.


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