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Old 07-20-2014, 01:45 PM   #15
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Hi Minnesota! There's nothing like a cool swim in the lake after a hot day of biking or canoeing. The best shower ever!

Yep, my rear bath floor was rotted on my 66 Trade Wind. The black tank was ready to fall out. So I needed to address that floor which started a bath renew project. Bathrooms may be the most involved area in our trailers. To get at the floor I had to remove the bathroom fixtures, belly pan and floor insulation. Oh my, might as well look at the rest of the rusty frame while I'm at it. One thing leads to another and soon I'm dropping axles, repairing and painting the frame, new PEX plumbing throughout, replace that old water heater, re-plumb the drain lines, and on and on. A classic case of "while your at it" project expansion.

I installed a 24 by 24 shower pan, the smallest I could find. My shower is barely adequate and I almost wish I would have used the space for something else.

Marco, your Globetrotter may be in better shape than my Trade Wind. Southwest trailers are known to be in better condition due to the dry conditions.

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Old 07-20-2014, 02:02 PM   #16
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You guys are great! Thanks for all the advice! To answer some questions:

1. My goal was to replace the shower pan because the previous owner warned me to not shower in it because of some hairline cracks.

2. It was nice and I didn't 't mean to gut it, but it seemed like I had to remove the bath wall to access the shower pan, and to remove that, had to take out the closets and to do that had to take out the kitchen... Etc. it was a chain reaction.

3. I needed the shower because I go on multi day dirt biking trips in the desert, you end up with dirt in parts of your body you didn't know you had.

4. And I only have a black water tank (and white?), I can let the gray water flow into the desert.

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This just happened probably while I was forcing the black tank around. The release valve was closed. I think I cracked it. I'm having a hell of a time getting the toilet and tank out to check it!

5. How do I get the black water tank and toilet off!? Do I need to just hack into it with a sawsall? Or rip it out with a giant crow bar?

Thanks everyone! This forum was honestly the final push I needed to go through with my childhood dream of having an AS. Just knowing that all this help was out there made me feel confident and safe. You guys are the best!
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Old 07-20-2014, 02:07 PM   #17
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My neighbor says I definitely cracked the black water tank. I can not find any way of taking it out, or the toilet! Everything is removed around them, I cut the copper tubes going to them. I can't seem to twist them off? Ugh.
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Old 07-20-2014, 02:24 PM   #18
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And does that look like wood rot?
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Old 07-20-2014, 03:21 PM   #19
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Good news, I just pried it off by sticking a 2x4 under and pulling it up. It was stuck to that release valve thing under the trailer, I guess I could have twisted that off instead and got poop in my face.
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Old 07-20-2014, 03:32 PM   #20
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The bad news is, there are very few parts on a vintage AS that are replaceable (at reasonable cost, anyway). So, you are wise to take plenty of time to slowly take things apart with as little damage as possible. The good news is, you can always buy a new toilet. You probably cannot buy the plastic panels beneath the toilet or behind it...so be careful with them.

I would just start taking the toilet apart. The seat and the shroud behind it should come off. And I am guessing, because there are no visible bolts to hold it to the black tank, that the side panel should come off...giving you access to that bottom plate, where you should find the hold-down bolts. Then a rubber gasket should make the connection between the toilet and the black tank. You might want to get under the AS and take a look at where the black tank drain comes through the floor. Disconnect everything you find there. There may also be a lot of adhesive to cut away. The black tank itself may also be held to the floor with adhesive.

Just take it apart a piece at a time. The plastic is very brittle. Use a putty knife to pry it apart. Others may have dealt with this particular toilet, and know exactly how to remove it. There are also videos on Youtube that can help you.

You may be able to repair the black tank...so make sure it is disconnected from everything you can see...and then use a wide flat blade or putty knife to explore beneath it and hopefully pry it loose. Otherwise, you may know of someone who can manufacture a similar black tank...or you may find one at InlandRV online...or another seller like VintageTrailerSupply.

Take pics and let us know what you find....
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Old 07-20-2014, 04:12 PM   #21
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Thanks for the reply arktos!
Instead of removing the toilet I just ripped out the whole assembly. Thankfully I unscrewed the 4 screws of the release valve from under the trailer. I guess I should have unscrewed the entire release valve.

Glad I pulled the whole thing out- that wood is definitely rotted! Yikes! When I bought the trailer I did the bumper test, but only checked for separation on the other side, not the toilet side. I guess I was caught up in the heat of the moment.

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Old 07-20-2014, 05:03 PM   #22
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That'll work too. LOL. Yep...probably mice, since there was such a nice entry/exit for the little pests right there in the floor. Here's another 'unfortunately'... If there are mice remnants there...you can bet they were in plenty of other places...all that nice pink insulation for them to make nests out of. You will find out when you remove the interior skins. Most likely, all of that insulation has fallen and compressed...leaving very little R value (not that there was much in the first place). So you might as well get rid of it and the nests...and start from scratch on the insulation. Besides, you don't want all of that Junta Virus in your trailer, for sure!!

If I didn't say it before....before you start ripping that floor out....make sure you do plenty of measurements of the floor, and especially of the radiuses at the front and back. It is VERY hard to replicate those curves without measurements or making a template out of cardboard or heavy paper.
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Old 07-20-2014, 05:14 PM   #23
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Great idea, I guess I need to replace the floor. I know there are some threads on that that I will check out.

And yes definitely mice, I just removed a panel off the front with a similar cut out.Click image for larger version

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Old 07-20-2014, 05:24 PM   #24
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Ick! Suggest you invest in some of those Tyvek one piece suits and lots of respirator masks. The droppings from those mice could cause some serious respiratory problems.
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Old 07-20-2014, 05:47 PM   #25
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my 2 cents

the shower pan of my 65 caravel had hairline cracks when I got it 14 yrs ago and it's still going strong! if I get a leak I will try epoxy paint before I rip it out. I used epoxy and /or fiberglass resin on the soft spots and used expanding foam to seal the rear floor seam and keep the water out. I gave away the propane -only original frig and put in a dorm frig(40 lbs lighter) Some day, I'll use the money I saved to put in solar panels to power that frig when I'm off the grid. I'd sooner camp out than crawl under this rig, given our short summers...............joe in minnesnowda
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Old 07-20-2014, 07:06 PM   #26
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I tried replacing the shower pan. Please help.

Given what I have seen so far within a few days I expect to see frame photos . How about an outdoor shower since your expected use is the desert? No drain plumbing required.

You are approaching a crossroad my friend. Dig much further you will find even MORE scary things that warrant further demolition, expense, and loads of time. It's up to you but maybe just stop now, put in an outside shower, and use that space for storage. For a toilet look up the Valterra Curve. No plumbing required and more than enough capacity for several days between emptying.

Best of luck whatever you decide to do.

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Old 07-20-2014, 09:20 PM   #27
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Well joqin, I really wish I was more patient and waited for your response!

Where I'm at right now: hunting for more mouse droppings.

Instead of a tyvek suit and respirator, I opted for some old jeans, a t-shirt and a 10cent doctor mask. It was really important that I didn't mess up my nice jeans...

And yes, there were droppings in the ceiling.
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Believe me, you'll be messing up A LOT of jeans and t-shirts during this adventure...
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