These are very old pics, from our very first weekend with the bunks. You can see them in both the up and down positions. This shows them without the mattresses etc, and before we built the tv shelves in between them. When the center bunks are raised, the bottom ones can be used for seating. We have seven kids, so bunks were a must! We are selling the Airstream in the Spring as soon as we finish the one we are currently restoring, so we are still building bunks! The new one is similar but a little longer so we will have a permanent bed for us grownups in it!