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03-18-2018, 03:42 PM
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Rivet Master
2017 23' Flying Cloud
Bartlett
, Tennessee
Join Date: Apr 2017
Posts: 1,054
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Sigh, we are not having good luck with our new Airstream
Those of you who follow this forum will recognize me. We camped for 10 years in a Winnebago Class C, then decided to downsize. We traded off the Winnebago and bought a new 2017 Airstream Flying Cloud 23FB last April.
Before we even took it out the very first time, the Dometic air Conditioner quit. Took it back to the dealer and got a new AC. Went on a 10 day camping trip up the Natchez Trace Parkway. Had a wonderful time, but, the door wouldn't close all the way. It would latch enough to hold it closed, but was about 1/4" proud, and the dead bolt wouldn't engage. Dealer fixed that too.
That is old news, and you will find other threads where I talk about them at length.
New news. Took the girl camping this weekend. It started spitting rain Friday morning, so I put the ZipDee awning out and we sat under the awning and watched it rain. Very relaxing. Friday evening, I went to put the awning away because I don't leave it up if I am asleep or away from the trailer. The lower arms of the awning would NOT retract. After struggling a while, I noticed that the lower awning arms were significantly BENT! They were extremely curved. I ended up having to take the awning arms and awning OFF THE TRAILER so I could tow the trailer home. I am going to have a discussion Monday with ZipDee. Depending on what ZipDee says, I may have a conversation afterward with Airstream. I am attaching a photo of the bent awning arms laying on the ground after removing everything. (The awning is currently laying in my garage on the floor.)
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2017 F-150 XLT 4x4 SuperCab 3.5l EcoBoost V6
2017 Flying Cloud 23FB "BobLin Along"
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03-18-2018, 03:58 PM
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Rivet Master
2014 31' Classic
2015 23' International
2013 25' FB International
Apache Junction
, Arizona
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 6,214
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The issue is that the water "pooled" in the awning and the weight bent the arms. One has to extend one side arm fully and one stop less on the other side to get the slope necessary for the water to drain off. Typically the low end is at the end of the trailer away from the main door.
While not explicitly mentioned in the current or past owner's manuals, ZipDee is trying to say that their awnings are not suitable for being extended in the rain, let alone wind.
If the extended awning roller is basically level to the ground, the awning material will sag in the middle with water and when the water load gets heavy enough, the damage begins.....
This will be one very expensive lesson unless your insurance will pay the bill. This event, unfortunately, is not a viable warranty claim to either ZipDee or Airstream.
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03-18-2018, 04:03 PM
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The Aluminum Tent 3
2014 23' Flying Cloud
Park City
, Utah
Join Date: Aug 2015
Posts: 2,157
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Bobbo sorry to hear of your varied troubles.
This one was a user issue, sorry to say, Switz explained it. Always have the awning on an angle (one arm a notch or two lower than the other...usually the one furthest from the door) if it's raining so that the water can run off.
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03-18-2018, 04:30 PM
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Rivet Master
2014 25' Flying Cloud
Cuddebackville
, New York
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 4,333
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[QUOTE=switz;2078168]
While not explicitly mentioned in the current or past owner's manuals, ZipDee is trying to say that their awnings are not suitable for being extended in the rain, let alone wind.
/QUOTE]
No awning is.
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2019 Ford Expedition Platinum
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03-18-2018, 05:03 PM
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Rivet Master
2000 25' Safari
Davidson County
, NC Highlands County, FL
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 4,493
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In my owners manual (the one from Zip Dee), it explicitly says to lower the awning arms to create slope. And, it says failure to follow those instruction is not covered under their warranty.
See pages 2 and 3:
http://nebula.wsimg.com/34d0c6e027d0...&alloworigin=1
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2014 Silverado LTZ 1500 Crew Cab 5.3L maximum trailering package
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03-18-2018, 05:08 PM
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Reads a lot
2017 30' Classic
Titusville
, Florida
Join Date: Dec 2016
Posts: 1,209
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I believe I have seen similar posts about the power awnings on the newer AS models, like mine. ZipDee describes the awning as a sun shade only. It is not intended to be used in the rain, apparently even a little rain or wind will damage the awning and it not covered under warranty. I am envious of others who can leave their awning up most of the time.
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She Believed She Could so She Did.
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03-18-2018, 05:26 PM
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Rivet Master
2019 30' Classic
Canfield
, Ohio
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 2,559
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While what has been said here is true about the awning, I would still contact Zipdee to see if they can help. You never know if they might send you some arms if you or your dealer will install them. Be nice ; )
Unfortunately there can be many things wrong with a new AirStream just as there are many things wrong with most new campers. I had a list of 12-15 Items when I took my AS to Jackson center. They will fix them all. If you can return to the mothership, you would get better service than most dealers with your issues.
You will learn new things with your AS over time that seem like problems, but are not. As an example: If you couldn't get your door to work and they fixed it, that's fine, but it should still seem hard to close! The correct way to close the door is to firmly shut it; then press hard at the latch to make it "click". That seems like a problem, but most AS work this way (at least the new ones).
Your tongue jack may be a 3000 lb. jack. The Atwood manual for it says not to use with an equalizer jack. Why is it undersized? (They went to a bigger jack in 2018) Buy the $12 crank from the manufacturer or on Amazon, and crank it the last few turns if you need to rather than seize up the jack. AS will not replace if it is still working.
Your charger in you trailer is a single stage model. Replace it now with a progressive 4 stage before you boil all your batteries away.
Tires! Oh don't get me started!
Spend some time here looking up what you need. I'm sure all here will be glad to help you. PM me with any questions.
Turk
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Tom & Doty
2019 Airstream Classic 30 Twin
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03-18-2018, 07:45 PM
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Rivet Master
2017 23' Flying Cloud
Bartlett
, Tennessee
Join Date: Apr 2017
Posts: 1,054
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Sigh. Since posting this, I have discovered that it was, indeed, user error. It was not, however, the error that switz spoke of. It was more basic than that.
I did have one side lower than the other so water would not pool. However, this is only the second time in the 11 months that I have owned this trailer that I have put the awning out and I made a basic, bonehead mistake. I am posting a picture of the trailer with the awning deployed. See how long it takes you to see my mistake. I agree that this is not a warranty issue. If Zip Dee does not offer assistance, I am not going to try to make a fuss. Fortunately, I was able to remove the awning without damaging it any more (as far as I can tell), so all I need is a pair of arms and re-installation. Hopefully, it won't be TOO bad.
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2017 F-150 XLT 4x4 SuperCab 3.5l EcoBoost V6
2017 Flying Cloud 23FB "BobLin Along"
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03-18-2018, 07:53 PM
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Rivet Master
2017 23' Flying Cloud
Bartlett
, Tennessee
Join Date: Apr 2017
Posts: 1,054
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Quote:
Originally Posted by turk123
Your tongue jack may be a 3000 lb. jack. The Atwood manual for it says not to use with an equalizer jack. Why is it undersized? (They went to a bigger jack in 2018) Buy the $12 crank from the manufacturer or on Amazon, and crank it the last few turns if you need to rather than seize up the jack. AS will not replace if it is still working.
Your charger in you trailer is a single stage model. Replace it now with a progressive 4 stage before you boil all your batteries away.
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Thanks for the advice. My jack is a 4,000# model, and I put a PD4655V in my Airstream the week I brought her home. I had the converter/charger before I had the trailer. The Parallax never even got plugged in at home.
I pulled a bone head stunt on this one. This one in no way reflects on Airstream or Zip Dee.
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2017 F-150 XLT 4x4 SuperCab 3.5l EcoBoost V6
2017 Flying Cloud 23FB "BobLin Along"
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03-18-2018, 07:55 PM
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1987 Avion 34W owner
Vintage Kin Owner
Good Ol'
, USA
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 2,090
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Yup..... the upper arms are not where they should be.
I don't remember the "mode" that they call it, but the only time the upper arms are to be in that position is when the awning is only partially deployed.
Sorry for your troubles. Unfortunately, I also learn best by doing.
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03-18-2018, 08:01 PM
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Rivet Master
2013 25' FB Flying Cloud
Longmont
, Colorado
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 1,105
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Sorry to hear of your troubles. As a newbie, I bent one of the arms on my Zip-Dee due to not knowing how to put it away correctly. I was able to straighten it out by my self, and it has worked fine since (four years). So maybe your arms can be fixed also.
There's a video at . My arm was bent a bit more than the example in the video. Based on a suggestion I read somewhere, I used the receiver on my tow vehicle to do the bending. I had to drop my spare tire in order to get enough room. And I padded the receiver with a rag to keep from putting scratches in the arm.
Good luck with yours, and may your next trip out be trouble-free!
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03-18-2018, 08:02 PM
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Rivet Master
2016 28' International
Sioux Falls
, SD
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 576
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Forgot to extend the arms to the locked position?
Sorry to hear of your troubles but, good to hear you learned from it! Many don't.
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03-18-2018, 08:03 PM
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Rivet Master
Currently Looking...
Walnut Creek
, California
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 3,952
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Thanks for sharing. Lessons learned are of much more value when you share them with others. Sympathy for your challenges. Keep on learning, traveling and smiling. Pat
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03-18-2018, 08:09 PM
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Rivet Master
2017 23' Flying Cloud
Bartlett
, Tennessee
Join Date: Apr 2017
Posts: 1,054
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Maybe someone else will learn from my mistake. Even if I had discovered that it was my fault before posting, I still would have posted this thread. I just would have admitted in the first post that it was my fault.
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Bobbo and Lin
2017 F-150 XLT 4x4 SuperCab 3.5l EcoBoost V6
2017 Flying Cloud 23FB "BobLin Along"
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03-18-2018, 08:38 PM
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Dazed and Confused
Currently Looking...
1983 31' Airstream310
Hillsburgh
, Ontario
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 3,805
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We have all been there, and can commiserate with you. Mistakes happen to the best of us; learn, and move on.
Cheers
Sidekick Tony
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03-19-2018, 09:21 AM
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4 Rivet Member
2016 30' International
Quartz Hill
, California
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 354
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Just a hint. Do not use your stabilizing jacks as levelers for that last little bit. The shell will actually flex a little making the door hard to latch. Ask me how I learned this.
Welcome to Airstream life and the Forums
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03-19-2018, 09:35 AM
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4 Rivet Member
Byron Center
, Michigan
Join Date: Aug 2017
Posts: 275
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One of the best things about this forum is that we can all learn from the mistakes of others, and we've all done stuff like that where we just plain didn't know. Remember the old days before the internet when you had to figure out on your own why the people in the next campsite were laughing at you?
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03-19-2018, 10:06 AM
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3 Rivet Member
2017 30' Flying Cloud
Spotsylvania
, Virginia
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 179
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I feel your pain. I started RVing about 15 yrs ago, before then I spent most of my time in a tent. The wife finally put her foot down after sleeping on too many rocks and sticks.
My wife Rved as a kid but her Dad did everything so she and I were both clueless when it came to what to do and what not to do. The first weekend out with our pride and joy a thunder storm came up and ripped the awning off of our brand new unit. That was a learning experience.
We are on our 2nd AS. I have to say I have been disappointed in the quality of the items that AS doesn't build i.e., H/W Htr, refrig., A/C or heat pump, etc. Our 2015 23 FB had every part replaced at least once before the warranty ran out, the A/C twice.
Our 2017 30' FC has been better, we have only had issues with the solar panel system and the damn door latching and staying closed. That was an issue with the 2015 23 FB as well.
To be honest I do not remember having appliance issues with all the brand "X" trailers that I owned. Maybe the aftermarket appliance companies are just banging them out so fast and the quality control has gone to the toilet.
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03-19-2018, 11:02 AM
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2 Rivet Member
1989 25' Excella
Albemarle
, North Carolina
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 33
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Awing problems on 19 19 Mar airstream forumns
Having been an airstream owner of three. 19 ft, 26, ft and now a 25 ft excella . I am now 87 years old , wife is 83. I have three awning on the 25 excella. We we attained the 25 footer we viewed the film on awning operation from the internet. We seldom if ever put the entry side awning out. We do a lot of beach comping and got tired of upping and downing due to rain and wind. Until weather forecasters can refine forecast and a lighter awning and be developed we dont use that awning. It still looks pretty sitting up there all shinny and nice. Buy yourself a large good quality patio umbrella . Store it in your TV . That works good for two old F....ts
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03-19-2018, 11:32 AM
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:SPACE A" S/O 11 Air19745
2006 34' Classic S/O
Fort Worth
, Texas
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 1,766
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Hint: Before you activate the awning always momentarily press the control to close first. That resets the computer in case there was an un-noticed power interruption.
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