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Old 01-29-2016, 10:26 AM   #71
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Upon careful reading of the 2016 Airstream catalog, the 28' model has the highest tongue weight off all the Airstream models at 976 pounds. Adding a Hensley or ProPride weight distribution hitch adds over a 100 pounds of steel on the front of the trailer. The new 26U model comes in at 906 pounds while the 30' Bunk has 885 pounds (880 pounds for the 30' standard).

Thus the future owner has to find a tow vehicle where the hitch receiver is rated at least 1,100 pounds before adding anything inside the trailer.

Note that the static tongue weight does not consider the stress imposed on the receiver situation when the weight distribution hitch is connected and bending forces are imposed to transfer weight forward to the front axle.
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Old 01-29-2016, 10:37 AM   #72
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Some local advice. I have bought my last two Airstreams at ODM. Back in 2011 I was "sold" on a new 2012 25 Intl CCD. I heeded the advice on AirForums and changed my mind and ordered a 28. Great and smart move -- the extra size made the trailer much more comfortable. BUT, the L seat sofa, while it looks nice was just not comfortable. I ended up removing it and installing two recliners. Great trailer, and the major reason I went for a new 30 Classic was ducted air and the gorgeous cherry interior. While I am on NOBODY'S payroll, I have been very satisfied with ODM -- both in the sale and pricing of my two trailers, but more importantly for their parts and service departments. I have nothing against Colonial, but they do nothing for our local NC economy. I would bet that Joel has a new trailer allocation that can be applied to whatever you're looking for. And, there is so much experience here on AF -- I really appreciate all the great advice over the years that's helped me enjoy and appreciate the Airstream life.
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Old 01-29-2016, 11:01 AM   #73
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Doug, your mods are what really sold me on the flexibility of the 25'. Very creative...and functional!
This is our second Airstream. This time we shopped specifically for a model that would meet our preference for a mid-size tow vehicle, while still providing enough space and comfort in a modest size Airstream for extensive travel.

The 2012 Airstream 25 Rear Bed model was the only mid-size Airstream where we could essentially take out all the dinette bench seating (that we did not need), and convert it easily to a comfortable and practical trailer-for-two. We took out the built-ins and stored them, and took the Airstream to Jackson Center Service Center where they charged us $4,000 to customize it, a two day job nicely done with a factory appearance.

If customization is in your plans, look carefully to ensure there is no appliances such as furnace, water heater, electrical converter/charger underneath the built-ins you would need to remove.

For example, our 2012 Rear Bed had the converter/charger right next to the fridge, we could put a folding table under the window and build a cabinet over the converter. A couple of years later Airstream moved the converter forward where our street side recliner now sits. That be a little more difficult and more expensive conversion, the converter would have to be moved to duplicate our project.

As you shop, think about how you might best use your Airstream in it's factory form, and also look ahead to any modifications you may wish to make. There are appliances, wiring, plumbing hidden under everything built in, possibly making difficult and expensive alterations.
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Old 01-29-2016, 11:31 AM   #74
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If the hitch weight of a model you choose is excessive, that is not necessarily a deal killer. You need at least 10% trailer weight at the hitch coupler. Our 25 FC factory hitch weight is listed 835 lbs, the trailer maximum weight is 7300#, so we need 730# hitch weight.

After interior alterations, all of our storage is on or aft of the trailer's axles. Our bicycles are on the Airstream bike rack at the rear bumper. The batteries can be moved aft or replaced by lightweight, more powerful lithium models. The spare tire can be carried in the tow vehicle, or not carried all. Tandem axle Airstreams are designed to travel limited distance and speed with one wheel removed, in case of a flat. A change to high-quality Michelin tires will make that possibility very unlikely.

Our Airstream Owners manual limits our tongue weight to 1,000 lbs maximum, perhaps for sway stability, perhaps structural limitations. It must be at least 730#. These are the parameters to work with. Our ProPride hitch weighs about 100# more than a conventional hitch. But when hitched to the truck, most of the ProPride weight is carried by the truck receiver. I see the ProPride's weight only as an issue with tow vehicle carrying capacity. Perhaps because I want it to work, and perhaps because our considerable towing has shown us it does work.
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Some local advice. I have bought my last two Airstreams at ODM. Back in 2011 I was "sold" on a new 2012 25 Intl CCD. I heeded the advice on AirForums and changed my mind and ordered a 28. Great and smart move -- the extra size made the trailer much more comfortable. BUT, the L seat sofa, while it looks nice was just not comfortable. I ended up removing it and installing two recliners. Great trailer, and the major reason I went for a new 30 Classic was ducted air and the gorgeous cherry interior. While I am on NOBODY'S payroll, I have been very satisfied with ODM -- both in the sale and pricing of my two trailers, but more importantly for their parts and service departments. I have nothing against Colonial, but they do nothing for our local NC economy. I would bet that Joel has a new trailer allocation that can be applied to whatever you're looking for. And, there is so much experience here on AF -- I really appreciate all the great advice over the years that's helped me enjoy and appreciate the Airstream life.
Thanks BAB. I was hoping someone would speak up about our local dealer. I have also heard good things about them from another forum member who I recently found out is a neighbor. As nice as the folks were at Colonial, I would much prefer to purchase local because they are they folks I would be going to for service. Right or wrong, I think any vehicle dealership gives some preference/priority to their previous customers. Although this gets some folks knickers in a knot, I can understand how a dealer's priority would be to keep their original customers happy. Safe travels!
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Upon careful reading of the 2016 Airstream catalog, the 28' model has the highest tongue weight off all the Airstream models at 976 pounds. Adding a Hensley or ProPride weight distribution hitch adds over a 100 pounds of steel on the front of the trailer. The new 26U model comes in at 906 pounds while the 30' Bunk has 885 pounds (880 pounds for the 30' standard).

Thus the future owner has to find a tow vehicle where the hitch receiver is rated at least 1,100 pounds before adding anything inside the trailer.

Note that the static tongue weight does not consider the stress imposed on the receiver situation when the weight distribution hitch is connected and bending forces are imposed to transfer weight forward to the front axle.
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If the hitch weight of a model you choose is excessive, that is not necessarily a deal killer. You need at least 10% trailer weight at the hitch coupler. Our 25 FC factory hitch weight is listed 835 lbs, the trailer maximum weight is 7300#, so we need 730# hitch weight.

After interior alterations, all of our storage is on or aft of the trailer's axles. Our bicycles are on the Airstream bike rack at the rear bumper. The batteries can be moved aft or replaced by lightweight, more powerful lithium models. The spare tire can be carried in the tow vehicle, or not carried all. Tandem axle Airstreams are designed to travel limited distance and speed with one wheel removed, in case of a flat. A change to high-quality Michelin tires will make that possibility very unlikely.

Our Airstream Owners manual limits our tongue weight to 1,000 lbs maximum, perhaps for sway stability, perhaps structural limitations. It must be at least 730#. These are the parameters to work with. Our ProPride hitch weighs about 100# more than a conventional hitch. But when hitched to the truck, most of the ProPride weight is carried by the truck receiver. I see the ProPride's weight only as an issue with tow vehicle carrying capacity. Perhaps because I want it to work, and perhaps because our considerable towing has shown us it does work.
switz and Doug, you make good points about the tongue weight of the 28'. This was something we're a bit concerned about, but according to Ford our max trailer towing weight is 11,600# and they say, "Trailer tongue load weight should be 10-15% of total loaded trailer weight." With the 28' having a GVWR of 7600#, a worst case scenario of 15% tongue weight (1140#) doesn't even put us at 10% of the max trailer tongue weight for our TV.

Our bigger concern is payload and that is why we plan to go with a RB model in whichever length we get. If I understand things correctly we can maintain stability while minimizing impact on TV payload if we balance our load to keep the tongue weight closer to 10% of the actual trailer weight. At this point, I have crunched so many numbers and read so many posts that I may not have this straight. Please speak up if I'm not figuring this correctly.

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The advantages to traveling lightly should be evident. Many have no interest in it and simply write it off and buy a heavy duty pickup. Some of us came from travel backgrounds where it was the only way, our 35 years touring the country with VW Camper vans gave us no other choice. So we learned some things; the most important being how little gear you actually need, and more than that is simply a burden.

Here's a simple strategy.

The 25 through 28 Airstreams are so close in weight, choose the one you like the most. A vehicle that can tow a 25 can also tow a 28 as easily. Then decide on the needed gear. And then the tow vehicle with the load capacities you need. Be smart and realistic.

Don't discount the importance of the weight distribution/sway control or sway elimination hitch and its proper setup. It's fully one third of a successful towing combination.

A note on weight distribution and truck load capacity. Although the trailer tongue weight is 1,000 lbs, after hitching and the weight distribution hitch lift is applied, 200 lbs (as a rule of thumb) will be distributed to the trailer axles. So figure 800 lbs of the 1,000 lbs tongue weight will be added to the truck load.
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Old 01-30-2016, 06:17 AM   #78
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Another thought:
If a 1/2 ton pickup an tow a 28', the same pickup can pull a 30'.
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Chuck, thanks for sharing your experience. Your comments really reinforce our thinking. I had not even considered a Hensley or PP hitch because I had read so many comments on the forums about how heavy they are. The last thing I wanted to do was add any more tongue weight. Is this not a problem for you?
I worried about the same thing that you are for quite awhile. After talking with many others I pulled the trigger on the 28 even with the higher tongue weight. I had a Equalizer hitch initially on the trailer and did not like it. Mainly from an adjustment ease standpoint. After speaking with others with Hensley/PP hitches and Sean at ProPride I purchased the ProPride. With proper adjustment you are moving weight to the truck axle and it has been no issue at all. All weight figures from scales come up good and as mentioned, pulls like a champ. The beauty again of a Hensley/PP is that if your weight in truck bed changes, adjustment is with the W/D jacks, not having to change hitch bolt positions/washers/tilt.

As others have said, choose what fits your needs and lifestyle. The weight issue works out fine with proper packing. I have been one of those with the mindset that you figure out what you really must have on trips, and carry that. Not what you think you need as storage is at premium on these things. We have the 28FC Rear Twin and love the fact of the three accessible storage bins. That keeps a bunch of stuff out of my truck bed. With that minimalist mindset, we have had know issues.

Again, best of luck with your decision. I am happy to answer any other questions you may have about a 28.

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Agree completely with Chuck. I pulled my 28 Intl CCD with a ProPride, and have the same hitch on the 30 Classic. While $ is always an issue, and a PPP is expensive, I've towed with the hitch on two Airstreams -- probably around 75,000 miles in every kind of terrain you can imagine and even the blast of a huge semi or a sidewind doesn't induce any kind of sway. While weights are always a consideration, I wouldn't get too locked up over it. BTW, the guys at Out-of-Doors Mart know how to install a ProPride. They've done both of mine. If you do go out there and talk with the sales guys, you can tell Jason that you've been following Barry's posts on AirForums. He'll probably tell you some funny stories!
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Thanks again one and all for sharing all your personal experiences and knowledge! This has been a very fruitful discussion for us.

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Thanks Barry, I'll be sure to do that. We have dealt with Jason a couple of times and he has been very helpful.
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Just read through the thread to catch up and see if you made a decision. It is not easy. Now you have those saying that it is better to travel with less and that the L lounge is not comfortable.

If you take it from the two foot principle, and what you gain for the extra $$$ over the 25 consider the value to you and your camping. One thing I did not mention on counter space is the flip up foot of counter the 25 has which gives close to the same amount of counter space. They are both nice layouts. If I remember correctly the bedroom and bathroom are the same size. So if you focus on the front and galley area and your needs/likes it should help.
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Just read through the thread to catch up and see if you made a decision. It is not easy. Now you have those saying that it is better to travel with less and that the L lounge is not comfortable.
Though the issue some have with comfort of a cushion is easily solved -- change out the cushion material; or add a 3" topper surface below the cushions for that extra layer of "aaaaahhhh!"

I do the topper method; cost me about $40 to solve. I am however waiting to see if a 2016 28 carries the same cushions they put in the 26U; and if so, I am just going order a new set directly from the factory.

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While ours is an older 25er, we also converted it to a two person trailer. The gaucho in our trailer was impossibly uncomfortable - terrible as a couch and even worse as a bed. Which turned out to be a good thing as it motivated us to remove it and install instead twin leather recliners that we stole from our home theater. What an imorovement! I have a lousy back and having the recliner has made all the difference in the world as to how much I enjoy our outings.

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