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Old 01-27-2016, 04:51 PM   #57
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Hey, Switz, that's very good to know, thanks!

Have to say though, the campgrounds in Olympic National Park - I would not have wanted to tow anything longer than an Airstream 25 model in there. We looked at three NP campgrounds in the park (Heart 'O the Hills, Sol Duc, and Fairholme) while camped elsewhere. It gave us the "willies" to think about towing Rocinante in there, much less trying to park her. Sol Duc and Fairholme campgrounds had maybe 2-3 spots that might have worked for our 27FB - though there were some very tight turns within the campground. Heart O' the Hills had maybe 5 and was a bit less intimidating for towing. However, the all campsites in this NP are 1st come 1st served so no way to reserve.

OTOH, we're not exactly Bravehearts when it comes to squeezing through or into tight spots. Someone with more XP might not be as nervous as we would have been.

That said, we're not claiming this is the norm nationwide - just sharing our experience for one NP in particular.
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Old 01-27-2016, 05:38 PM   #58
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We were just barely able to snake our 25FB behind the Dodge 2500HD Cummins inside the Joshua Tree National Forest near Palm Springs to our assigned space(northwest corner, just outside of the park for access on a road where 5 mph was too fast).

No way we could get the 31' Classic in there and the 23D would be the easiest in our experience with the short wheel base Mercedes ML320 CDI as the tow vehicle.
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Old 01-27-2016, 06:24 PM   #59
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Good point switz, and reason to consider tow vehicle size and trailer size as a package. Maneuverability is more about tow vehicle wheelbase than trailer length in our experience as well.
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Old 01-28-2016, 08:51 AM   #60
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NC Camper --

If you're in Greensboro, you're about two hours from the Virginia Highland Haven airstream park just near Floyd Va. If you are not looking to pull the trigger on an airstream purchase in the immediate future, maybe we can get a forum springtime rally going at VHH and give you the opportunity to drive up and view through the different setups, configurations, user mods, etc.?

I think it's time for "Tax Break Rally #2"

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Oh, this sounds wonderful! The Floyd area is beautiful. I watched the video on the park and it makes me want to jump in the truck right now. I'll keep an eye out for possible rally plans this spring.

I would "pull the trigger" on a new trailer at any moment, but my husband is being the voice of reason (real role reversal for us haha) since we are still wrapping up my mother's estate. Oh well, more motivation to keep cracking so we can hopefully hit the road in the spring or early summer.

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Old 01-28-2016, 08:55 AM   #61
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In an airline to Phoenix as I type this having left the UK this morning. Our Monday departure got changed to Wednesday due to the snow.

The initial off the cuff plan for the 23D was to serve as a sacrificial anode going to Alaska this summer. However, Murphy stepped up to the plate and all the plans changed from outside issues and the trip was also cancelled. It's mission is now for the smaller state and national parks in the SouthWest where our 31' is known to be too long from experience.

Note that when a park says they can handle a 25' trailer, they are talking about the measurement of the box of the SOBs. Airstream publishes overall length, which would be about three feet shorter if just measuring the structure. Thus a 28' Airstream becomes a 25' for park length purposes.
Oh my, sounds like a whopping case of jet lag! Been there, don't miss it...much.

Great point on the length measurement. I think I knew that, but had forgotten it.

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Old 01-28-2016, 09:47 AM   #62
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25 too small. 28.
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Old 01-28-2016, 10:22 AM   #63
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I have found this thread interesting. Our local dealer (the one close to where the OP lives) does not like to stock the 28 because they have such a difficult time selling them. They had a 28 International Serenity there last year which we seriously looked at, but it was the only 28 they had at the time. They had several 25's and a few 27's. Based on this thread I wonder if buyers are starting to move more towards the longer 28 instead of the 25 though. I can't add much to this conversation because we decided to buy a used 30 (for the larger bathroom, wardrobe, and the recliners), but I think it is interesting to see how many people have moved from a 25 to a 28.
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We had a 20 for 2.5 years and loved it, however after doing 2 weeks last Summer and thinking about month long trips this year, we decided we wanted a walk around bed and more room for our greyhound and occasional trips with the teenage son.

So on a whim we went to airstream and looked at the 25, 26U and 27FB International and decided on either the 26 or 27. One can only hit their head getting out of bed so many times! (25)

After doing a tone of research at home we were 90% sure we wanted the 27 but as I was discussing towing with Andy, he suggested I check out the 28.

We went back to our dealer and spent over 4 hours going through drawers and cupboards, lying in the beds and just plain sitting in the trailer and eventually decided the 28 was the one!

Main reasons: it felt it had much more light overall from all the windows especially the dinette in the middle.

Counter space is extended as dinette is across from kitchen and even when traveling with son, dinette can remain setup.

We often have family or friends in camping ground and 28 has best view so we can keep an eye out and while my wife is cooking she can easily feel like part of the group.

Better bedroom storage!

Gorgeous view to back of trailer through master window, even from front of trailer (as compared to 20)

The huge exterior storage in rear helps reduce tongue weight. I have been told that a loaded 27 has more tongue weight than loaded 28, and in our 20 we use the bed for dog gate and chairs etc, so thrilled about keeping that outside. In order to put them in 27 I would have to remove propane bottles each time.

The huge downside is the kitchen pantry storage, but my wife has a plan!

Some of these upgrades are really based on our experience in the 20 and similar to the downgrade of the kitchen.. The FC20 has one of the best kitchen layouts, but we are thrilled to pick up our 28 tomorrow!

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Old 01-28-2016, 10:49 AM   #65
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The 25, 26, 27, and 28 are all within 300# maximum weight and 2' overall length. Tow vehicle being the same, you would barely notice the difference towing or parking.

The most significant difference is not size, but interior arrangement. There the differences are dramatic and where the buyer's attention should be directed, not only as offered but also how you might customize it to your own preferences.

They are also offered in a variety of trim levels. As well as decor choices. And optional equipment that can have a great affect on the comfort and use of your Airstream.

For most of us there are price differences that we must consider. A Flying Cloud 25 is a beautiful and durable Airstream, smallest of the large models; we loaded it with all factory options and customized the living space to an entirely different arrangement for the cost of a basic upscale model. It's a comfortable and spacious traveler for the two of us, we spend many months traveling in it every year. If money matters, spend it wisely on your own specific travel and camping needs.
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Old 01-28-2016, 11:01 AM   #66
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Been staying here in Florida since we picked up our new FC 28 footer at Foley RV, January 2nd 2016. It's been very comfortable and we love the interior sightline (feels very open). Ours is the rear queen with the closets on each side of the bed. As we prepare to head home in a couple day, looking forward to seeing how well it tows and the fuel economy difference from our old 23 footer. We would really like to hear/see what plan your wife has for the kitchen storage. Congrats and enjoy your new AS!
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Old 01-28-2016, 04:02 PM   #67
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Speaking of pantry space, when we took out our unused long side seating on our 25, we replaced part of it with a storage cabinet that she immediately seized for a second pantry. A similar custom cabinet could be added to any 25 or 27 with the long bench seat.
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I have a 25' Safari SS. So we have the gaucho and dinette. We really like the choice of 3 distinct areas, and the dinette table makes up for lack of counter space. The only downside is the corner bed. It is fine when you're in it, but a pain to make and get out of. When I upgrade, it will be the 28' rather than the 27' any time. I always lurk the classifieds and when I see a 28 without the dinette, I click right past it.
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I have found this thread interesting. Our local dealer (the one close to where the OP lives) does not like to stock the 28 because they have such a difficult time selling them. They had a 28 International Serenity there last year which we seriously looked at, but it was the only 28 they had at the time. They had several 25's and a few 27's. Based on this thread I wonder if buyers are starting to move more towards the longer 28 instead of the 25 though. I can't add much to this conversation because we decided to buy a used 30 (for the larger bathroom, wardrobe, and the recliners), but I think it is interesting to see how many people have moved from a 25 to a 28.
Echelon, we looked at the same 28', but at the time thought it was too big (not any more ). Also, while I like the Serenity, my DH says the International decor doesn't feel like he is camping and is very happy with the FC.

While I'm very big on buying local, we have been out to the dealership a couple of times and also seen them at RV shows and they just have very limited inventory (as of Jan 8th they had three). When we went up to Colonial I picked up a tidbit of information that was new to me. I don't know if this is usual for Airstream this time of year, but we were told all dealerships are on "allocation" and will only be receiving units based on the number they sold last year. They had a list of all the units they were expecting into May and some of them were already sold. Since we were thinking about ordering we were advised to just let them know what options we want and they can put in a change order to a unit that is already on their list. Nothing like getting a made to order unit from their "regular" inventory. I am going to give our local folks one more try to see if they can do something for us along the same lines. Is this "business as usual" for Airstream?
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Speaking of pantry space, when we took out our unused long side seating on our 25, we replaced part of it with a storage cabinet that she immediately seized for a second pantry. A similar custom cabinet could be added to any 25 or 27 with the long bench seat.
Doug, your mods are what really sold me on the flexibility of the 25'. Very creative...and functional!
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