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Old 09-10-2015, 11:18 PM   #15
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When in the direct sun and hot we could not even keep our 2012 25' cool with one AC. When moving to the 30 we specifically bought dual AC and it is wonderful. If you don't need it you don't need to run but one at a time. If you do oh well. The thing we find really nice is that you do not need to leave it running when gone. Come back put both on and in just a few minutes you are cool and then we switch to one. Same in the mornings both heat pumps on and presto nice warm trailer. I also believe it will improve resale value. Better upfront than wish for or regret not having later.
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Old 09-11-2015, 06:49 AM   #16
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We have two on our 30'. Used them all day every day when in the desert and at Lake Powell last month. Kept the trailer nice and cool. Only issue has been noted, the 50AMP cord is heavy and bulky. But we had one in our MoHo, so I got used to it, but tucking it into the back storage area is a little more challenging than in the basement of a 38' coach.
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Old 09-11-2015, 08:29 AM   #17
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We opted for two ACs and full awning package (and 3M heat rejection film on all glass) on our 2015 27' EB, after having trouble cooling our prior unit - a 2011 25' FC with one 13.5 AC. We frequently camp in the FL Keys, and the prior unit could not keep up in full sun on the hottest/most humid days, even with all windows and skylights covered with Reflectix. Joe
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Old 09-11-2015, 08:32 AM   #18
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I recently traded in my 20 year old AS for a 2016 25FC. I spent the summer out west with a lot of blue skies in WY and ID with temps never over 94F. Like how the new A/Cs are so relatively quiet but I am so disappointed in how inefficient their ducting is with regards to thermal loss. Too many days, with full awnings out and outside temps 91-94F 5,900 elevation, we could never get the 25er below 84F during peak sun in direct sunlight.

I have a power management module and was able to measure Amperage pull to make sure I had no compressor issues. I picked it up yesterday from dealer surly thinking I had an issue. All systems checked within norms. They said they have been having complaints about my same issue. I have also noticed others in different threads, single units 25+ with my same symptoms. Bottom line I 'personally' would ONLY order a 27 with TWO ACs.

If the 25 was available with two 11k BTU A/C vs the one 15k A/C with ducted air I would buy it next time around. Though I love the central A/C idea my old single unit, non ducted, could turn my AS into a meat locker In the same locations with high 90s temps.
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Old 09-11-2015, 08:37 AM   #19
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I recently traded in my 20 year old AS for a 2016 25FC. I spent the summer out west with a lot of blue skies in WY and ID with temps never over 94F. Like how the new A/Cs are so relatively quiet but I am so disappointed in how inefficient their ducting is with regards to thermal loss. Too many days, with full awnings out and outside temps 91-94F 5,900 elevation, we could never get the 25er below 84F during peak sun in direct sunlight.

I have a power management module and was able to measure Amperage pull to make sure I had no compressor issues. I picked it up yesterday from dealer surly thinking I had an issue. All systems checked within norms. They said they have been having complaints about my same issue. I have also noticed others in different threads, single units 25+ with my same symptoms. Bottom line I 'personally' would ONLY order a 27 with TWO ACs.

If the 25 was available with two 11k BTU A/C vs the one 15k A/C with ducted air I would buy it next time around. Though I love the central A/C idea my old single unit, non ducted, could turn my AS into a meat locker In the same locations with high 90s temps.

Correction my old AS A/C was 13K BTU not 11K.
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Old 09-11-2015, 08:46 AM   #20
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Though I love the central A/C idea my old single unit, non ducted, could turn my AS into a meat locker In the same locations with high 90s temps.
Greg, I have been saying the same thing since I bought my 2012 25' verses our old 1979 25'. I took it back to the dealer numerous times and had long conversations with Dan at the factory. Bottom line it works as designed it just can't cool it. One AC is not enough on anything greater than a 23 that is going to be in direct sun over 80-85F. Airstream is not insulating them as well and since going to the aluminum interior skin the heat transfer from the exterior skin to the interior is just awful. I suggested to AS back in 2012 that there needed to be an additional high density barrier between the ribs and interior aluminum skin. At least the ducted air roof provides a bit more of a barrier. Just touch the interior aluminum skin where the sun is hitting it full on when it is 90 out and the side in the shade. My 32' SOB with 16' slide-out cooled better with only one AC than my 2012 25' AS.
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Old 09-11-2015, 09:15 AM   #21
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Do I sense a generation of campers who have become a little soft, to understate my thoughts.
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Old 09-11-2015, 09:21 AM   #22
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Greg, I have been saying the same thing since I bought my 2012 25' verses our old 1979 25'. I took it back to the dealer numerous times and had long conversations with Dan at the factory. Bottom line it works as designed it just can't cool it. One AC is not enough on anything greater than a 23 that is going to be in direct sun over 80-85F. Airstream is not insulating them as well and since going to the aluminum interior skin the heat transfer from the exterior skin to the interior is just awful. I suggested to AS back in 2012 that there needed to be an additional high density barrier between the ribs and interior aluminum skin. At least the ducted air roof provides a bit more of a barrier. Just touch the interior aluminum skin where the sun is hitting it full on when it is 90 out and the side in the shade. My 32' SOB with 16' slide-out cooled better with only one AC than my 2012 25' AS.

2012FB, I have a great dealer and their sentiments and observations are exactly as you so well put it. The ducted concept is an excellent idea, unfortunately it was poorly executed. My dealer says it is by far their number one complaint. Hopefully AS is getting their ear full and will make adjustments. Trouble is to keep that tradition sleek bullet shape, it will be a challenge. In the mean time, double up on the BTUs:-)
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Old 09-11-2015, 09:53 AM   #23
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It really depends on how and where you camp. As others have said in hot weather two AC's are nice to have. Another cosideration is 50 amp service will allow use of microwave or other high draw electrical stuff when you use the AC 50 amp shore power.
We use an 1800 watt potable induction burnner all the time as it cut down on the heat when cooking. Yes we are glampers :>)
You can upgrade later but the AS upgrade its expensive and IMHO a poor design. We saw one being done at Jackson Center they add a complete new 30 amp service with seprate shore power cord for the second AC. . So you would have 2 30 amp cords to hook up.

I would highly reccomend the the awning pkg either way. It cuts down on the heat and most times you can leave your windows partially open in the rain.
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Old 09-11-2015, 09:56 AM   #24
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We just bought a 2016 27FB Flying Cloud with one A/C. We traded our 2014 27FB that sustained $43,000 dollars in hail damage. The 2014 had 2 A/C's. We carried both a 30 amp and 50 amp cord with the 2014. Yes, the 50 amp cord was heavy. The 2016 was on the lot and we had no choice of options. If I was to order, I would again chose 2 A/C's. We're in northern MN right now and the temps hit the high 80's last week. The one A/C did fine. When we hit the road and travel most of the year, we'll follow the weather. Nothing warm or hot and nothing cold In those instances one A/C will do just fine.
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Old 09-11-2015, 10:33 AM   #25
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We don't have the option for 2 A/C's and only have a single 15k btu unit. We are good to about 95 degrees cooling the whole trailer. When it gets above that we close off half the trailer and are able to keep the front in the low 70's in outside temps above 100. As stated above this is with full awnings out and all curtains closed. We leave the fantastic vent running in the back with a window cracked to keep things manageable in back. Having two A/C's is a good idea, but you will not always have the option of 50 amp's.
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Old 09-11-2015, 10:54 AM   #26
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Do I sense a generation of campers who have become a little soft, to understate my thoughts.
Oh come now, if I had wanted to sweat while in my trailer I could have saved oh 50k buying a pop up. It is not want any of us expected in a 65k luxury trailer. I think it is reasonable to expect to stay comfortable under most conditions with an as designed luxury product. Especially when the older same product performed as expected and the same new product does not. Just saying
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My vote is for 2 units, especially living in Nevada-
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Old 09-11-2015, 11:28 AM   #28
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get the 50amp service & 2 a/c

We have had many airstreams including a 27fb international. We have been
all over the US and live in Texas. My wish for 2 a/c units is so that they
can cool on hot days and when not so hot can run both on low fan speed
to reduce the noise that they make on hi...... the 50 amp service is
necessary now that the electric hot water is standard on the FC model.
I changed our 20c 2014 FC to 50 amps to stop the "green acres" problem
of constant 30a breaker trip with a/c , hot water , and any kitchen
appliance (vitamix, etc) on and exceeding 30a. The factory 2ond a/c
will be appreciated if you live in Nevada...... Jim Stanford
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