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Old 01-19-2018, 09:54 PM   #1
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Airstream as a battery for an electric car?

In a recent interview, Airstream CEO Bob Wheeler threw out some of Airstream's ideas on how they might adapt to electric & self driving cars.

Among other things, they're "toying with an idea of onboard battery tow vehicle... it could double range and double capacity."

It sounds like they're looking at self-driving Airstreams too. "Wheeler and his team have been asking themselves what an autonomous vehicle looks like, and what happens when you don't have forward-facing seats. The mobility experience might make them more social, involving more entertainment and even sleeping. 'That starts to seem a lot like a recreational vehicle.'"

So in the future, we may have trailers full of batteries that can recharge your electric cars, or Interstates that drive themselves!


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I can see some sort of Tesla PowerWall type system that can be used when stopped. Even better if AS took the time to improve the whole electrical system to support decent solar installs. Telsa already has tons of recharging stations along the interstate systems. Problem would be those spots are currently car sized, not tow vehicle/RV sized spots.

Otherwise use 4-6 decent solar panels to feed a quality Lithium battery system that can be charged from shore power as well. Since that is already possible one would just need to wire in an external port for the charging cables.
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Old 01-21-2018, 06:43 AM   #3
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As long as there is even one human driving on the interstate I doubt I could ever sleep in a self driving car lol.
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i thhink when the self driving cars become prevalent enough, we will see highways where only they are allowed, sorta like the separate high capacity toll lanes we now are seeing more of. No self driven vehicle would be allowed.
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Airstream as a battery for an electric car?

A few years ago Toyota had a software problem in their Lexus line that would suddenly cause the engine to get stuck in full throttle and would not shut off. The result was quite a few deaths.
Self driving cars are far more complex.
It will be a cold day in hell before I would ever trust one with my life.
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I've talked to several people. It's a generational thing to not hold the wheel. One young lady at BMW Performance Center told me she loves the adaptive cruise control. She said it's one less thing for her to have to worry about when driving since the car "controls" the speed and braking. I see a long road ahead, maybe 20 years it will be widely implemented and in use nation wide. Yes, it will be in bigger cities sooner. I'm talking about nation-wide acceptance.
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I suspect you may be correct but it would take laws to force many people to stop driving. There is a breed of car buffs who love sports cars and the feel of driving. Many consider this another big government push to limit your freedom because they consider the general public too stupid to be allowed to drive themselves
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There is currently no separate highway or highway lane for big rig trucks. I doubt we have the political ability to coordinate a massive effort to "lane" self driving cars in nationwide interstates. Once again local areas, big cites, will be the test mules to see how well the systems work to prevent accidents/deaths.

In the end it would be significantly cheaper to mandate the "safety" features to work on our current road systems especially the interstates.

One would think the reverse would be easier. Make it work for interstate travel highways first, then move to local areas. We all know we can't get the national politics to work well enough to get funding or planning done for interstates to support a self driving "whatver".

I for one applaud Tesla/Elan Musk. Guy is showing what a motivated person can achieve. Once his trucks are making deliveries and doing so with very little incidents the nation will wake up. Plenty of big companies dropped orders for his trucks, albeit a cash investment for him with a LONG delivery time to wait as a consumer.

Stay tuned people, our world is changing.
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I suspect you may be correct but it would take laws to force many people to stop driving. There is a breed of car buffs who love sports cars and the feel of driving. Many consider this another big government push to limit your freedom because they consider the general public too stupid to be allowed to drive themselves
This is why my wife and I love BMW.

Anyone holding on to a 4barrel carbed, big block old school street machine will need to build a WELL secured storage facility. It will be priceless.
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Airstream as a battery for an electric car?

Changing but not for the better.
Interesting to note that
Elon Musk's car company is not even profitable. It survives on government subsidies .
As for a truck lane, yes, actually they are mandated to stay in the right lane of any interstate.
The problem with self driving cars is in the Artificial Intelligence. A person will usually choose self preservation in a collision regardless of what will happen to the other driver and passengers.
The AI will have to calculate in a crisis and decide who will live and who needs to die to save the most people.
The car in an emergency may decide that it is in the best interest of everyone in the other cars to put you into a tree.
They have already had these things malfunction and knock down a reporter and crash into other things.
Also, if the network goes down while you are going around a curve at high speed. What happens? Does the car brake in a straight line and smash though the barrier.
Plus it is just a matter of time before hackers put their efforts into seizing control of vehicles for their own entertainment . Mass chaos could result.
Imagine if North Korea or some other evil immoral group decided to shut down all vehicular traffic. Self driving cars is a stupid idea. Everyone was focused on can we do this instead of should we do this.
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A few years ago Toyota had a software problem in their Lexus line that would suddenly cause the engine to get stuck in full throttle and would not shut off. The result was quite a few deaths.
Self driving cars are far more complex.
It will be a cold day in hell before I would ever trust one with my life.


Uh, no. It was NEVER proven there was a software problem. Toyota re-flashed all of its software in a voluntary recall to prioritize brake over throttle to eliminate any possible but improbable issue. Now if you hold the throttle and hit the brake, the throttle immediately goes to idle. Some of the incidents had to be driver induced.

Frankly, given Toyotaís engineering, I am much more likely to trust a self-driving vehicle from Toyota. Our 2016 Prius has many augmented features like radar cruise control, blind spot monitoring and low speed braking override. It works solidly, and makes driving easier.

Tesla May be close, but until I get my hands on the one we reserved, the jury is still out. I note that Toyota is working on it, but isnít putting out a full autonomous vehicle quite yet. I suspect they are working on reliability and longevity first.
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I've always wondered why some entrepreneur didn't come up with some sort of a towable generator for electric cars. Figure that most folks are doing short errands around the local area, which would be fine for the capacity of current electric cars. When you want to take that 4 hr. drive to Grandma's house, you rent one of these trailers which runs on gasoline to power your car. Even if the cost was the same as a driving a gas guzzler, it's an occasional thing. That would take out most range anxiety of the electrics, I think.
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With all due respect , it was proven to be a software problem not driver error. I am a certified collision reconstructionist. Knowing the facts on this issue was my job
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I have information not available to the general public. Toyota paid out big money on those lawsuits
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Solar / electric

I've been experimenting with a new portable solar system for my AS and I am taking delivery of a model 3 Tesla in a few weeks (ah, not as a tow vehicle). Airstream (the company) has to begin looking to the future. Almost all the manufacturers will be entirely electric with their cars and even their pickups will have an electric offering.

I think it's smart of Airstream to begin the process of adapting to electric. A 16' trailer holding the equivalent of 500 mile range batteries for the tow vehicle will give you a 1000 mile range one day at very little cost in electricity. Both battery banks (the car and the trailer) could make for several weeks of boondocking. It's not just about autonomous driving.
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A few years ago Toyota had a software problem in their Lexus line that would suddenly cause the engine to get stuck in full throttle and would not shut off. The result was quite a few deaths.
Self driving cars are far more complex.
It will be a cold day in hell before I would ever trust one with my life.
Do you take commercial flights or is that too risky?

I look forward to AVs. Bring them on. Definitely safer than the carnage that is going on now on our roads, and which is accepted by the public as “normal”

No need to mandate AV mode, just provide a manual mode switch. When the human driven vehicle crashes, we can just go straight to gross negligence and not call crashes “accidents” as if they were somehow unavoidable.

Human driven vehicles won’t be outlawed IMO, the risk will just be priced in and thus paid by the operator instead of through a subsidy paid by society.
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With all due respect , it was proven to be a software problem not driver error. I am a certified collision reconstructionist. Knowing the facts on this issue was my job


Can you say that the software update for brake priority was a result of the lawsuits? And if that should prevent the issue Jen the future?

There was also a floor mat and accelerator pedal potential interference issue addressed about the same time. Was that also part of the lawsuits?

Iím basing my knowledge on what trusted Toyota insiders have told me...
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It is often cheaper to pay settlements rather than continue to pay the legal and expert witness industry.
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Actually I see in the future that people in many areas (urban) will not own cars at all. Small electric pods will pick you up at your door and take you where you want to go. You simply pay a fee to be transported. That probably wonít happen in rural areas. Also I believe that freeways will actually be programmed so that cars all travel at one speed. Itís been proven that you could totally eliminate traffic jams this way. The car gets on the freeway and is programmed to follow a certain route and all cars will speed up and slow down at the same rate. No constant changing of lanes and people driving like maniacs trying to get ahead of everyone. But thatís a long way off. Personally I think the first thing that might affect AS owners are electric TVs. They have tremendous torque. The problem is getting batteries big enough to pull an AS for any kind of distance. They also have to solve the charging issue. Now it takes may 5 minutes to fill my 36 gallon tank on pickup. How long will it take to charge a battery?
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I see an electric future, but not quite the same architecture as Elon...

Hydrogen filling stations are about the same point now as TESLA supercharging stations 5 years ago. I see a future with electric cars/trucks using hydrogen fuel cells (although hybrid with a small battery for regeneration) as the path forward, not batteries as the main power storage facility. Energy companies (like Shell) will transition to support hydrogen filling stations, and will provide the infrastructure. Just think about refilling your hydrogen car in 10 minutes, like refilling a propane or gasoline powered vehicle. Waiting hours for a full charge to continue the journey...just doesn't pencil in comparison.

The ICE, will continue to be supported, but pure battery cars will never really be used for any extended trips in the future...even towing an Airstream. Pure battery cars, may be used for short trips (like a daily commuter) as long as the recharge can be done overnight AND the price point becomes less than a hydrogen fuel cell car for similar performance.
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