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Old 09-08-2016, 12:56 PM   #43
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The OP clearly identified concerns if the Classic approached it's max of 10,000 lbs vs the ECO's capacity was 8800. Doing "weight reduction" by watching what you put in it and taking your trailer to the scales before a trip are surely an option. But, why would you want to always have a nagging doubt because you may have skimped on the initial decision for a TV? I wouldn't, didn't, and made the right choice for myself. This forum is a place to express experiences with trailer/TV combinations. The OP will have to decide how to best equalize cost/safety and purchase accordingly.
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My personal opinion: A TV's tow rating should be at least equal to the GVWR of the trailer -- or preferably greater, as no TV would be performant when maxed out.
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Old 09-08-2016, 02:54 PM   #45
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Question: I'm considering buying up from an 23 to a 27 International Signature. I'd like not to also have to buy a bigger TV. I have a 2016 Ford F150 with tow package. Anyone drive similar AS with this TV?
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After reading the entire post and the several others on this topic hers is what it boils down to. A properly equipped 150/1500 will probably do the job and you may or may not be comfortable driving it. A 250/2500 (diesel) will definitely pull anything Airstream has ever made with ease. The Ford vs Dodge vs GM debate will continue forever.
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Old 09-14-2016, 08:09 PM   #47
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Question: I'm considering buying up from an 23 to a 27 International Signature. I'd like not to also have to buy a bigger TV. I have a 2016 Ford F150 with tow package. Anyone drive similar AS with this TV?
I'm not answering your query directly but I just took delivery of a 2017 27FB Int Sig. My TV is a 2014 Ram Laramie Ltd., EcoDiesel, 3.92 limited slip, air suspension, 4WD.

On spec the F150 has better towing #'s than the Ram EcoDiesel but real world towing they are probably pretty much equal. There are lots of reviews out there to confirm that. The Ram has an unusually low payload rating, and only Chrysler knows why that is.
I just completed a 1280 km trip through the rockies and the truck handled the trailer fine. Even up 20 kms of 8.5% grade it never went below 80 kph, and that was only for a couple stretches. My fuel mileage was 13.9 L/100 (16.9 us mpg) average for the trip. I used tow/haul mode the entire trip and let the transmission select the right gear. Never turned on cruise.

But, and this is a big but for me, the truck is pushing pretty much all the parameters for this size of a trailer. Tongue weight, payload, GCVW...they are all right at the outer edge of the envelope. We pack light, lots of people don't. It can do it, and tow quite comfortably, but without much reserve. I've started the process of warming up the wife for a 3/4 ton.

To the OP, I'd say a 30' Classic is too much trailer for the Ram 1500. Take your truck over the scales, with full fuel, wife and whatever you would load into the truck for a trip. That will determine your real payload, not what is on the Ram builder site or even your VIN decoder.

Can you tow it? Yeah, but you are over pretty much every tow rating parameter. It's a personal choice.
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Old 09-14-2016, 08:20 PM   #48
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But, and this is a big but for me, the truck is pushing pretty much all the parameters for this size of a trailer. Tongue weight, payload, GCVW...they are all right at the outer edge of the envelope. We pack light, lots of people don't. It can do it, and tow quite comfortably, but without much reserve. I've started the process of warming up the wife for a 3/4 ton.

Can you tow it? Yeah, but you are over pretty much every tow rating parameter. It's a personal choice.
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Sure, one can tow an Airstream easily... they’re aerodynamic and all that... but try going up a mountain or back down without the proper equipment...
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As long as the ratings are not exceeded, he can go up the mountain just fine.
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And "ratings" are the axle/ tire limits.
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The Ram EcoDiesel axles are rated at 3900 lbs. I'm at 3700 rear axle weight with a 27FB, so I'd think a 30' will be tough to keep under 3900 lbs carrying any payload? Empty spec weight is over 7300 lbs for the new ones.
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I weighed in at 3980 lbs on my 30'. My rear axle is rated at 4200 lbs.
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Yup, and the OP was inquiring about the Ram 1500 EcoDiesel. It will be tough to keep it under axle ratings.
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Yup, and the OP was inquiring about the Ram 1500 EcoDiesel. It will be tough to keep it under axle ratings.
Right, also 30 Classic is heavier than a 30 FC.
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We've found a '16 Classic that, according to the selling dealer, was traded in on a bus. He claims that it was only used twice. We'll see, as we're going to look at it on Monday. The dealer is motivated to do the deal before the end of the year.

If we end up pulling the trigger on it the moment of truth will arrive. As I mentioned in a previous post, we will initially pull it with our ED and a Propride or Hensley WDH.

In the meantime, we've been looking at the 2500 with the Cummings. Some good year end deals are available, but I'll lose too much money if I trade my ED. We love the ED for many of the reasons that have been stated ad nauseam on these forums, but if it doesn't get the job done, then we'll probably sell the ED privately to minimize the loss.

Decisions...decisions. 😬

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We've found a '16 Classic that, according to the selling dealer, was traded in on a bus. He claims that it was only used twice.
In the meantime, we've been looking at the 2500 with the Cummings. Some good year end deals are available, but I'll lose too much money if I trade my ED.
Decisions...decisions. 😬
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