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Old 09-07-2016, 07:03 AM   #29
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Reading this thread it seems folks who have actually towed a Classic with Ram 1500 think its inadequate (too little payload, pulling/cooling capacity maxed out on grades, etc), and folks who have NOT towed a Classic with Ram 1500 think its perfectly fine...
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Old 09-07-2016, 10:56 AM   #30
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I'm sure many will cringe, but I've been towing my 2016 Classic since March (5000 miles) with a 5.4L F-150 Super Crew. It was more than adequate for my former 25' Safari. I went to the CAT scales with full water (trip-ready) and it weighed in at about 8600 lbs. My truck is rated for 9600lb tow and 15,500lb GCWR. Mine came in at 15,050 (trip ready). With 1400lb payload rating, hitched up I came in at 7200 which coincidentally is the GVWR. So, yes, I'm pretty much at the manufacturer ratings.

I use an Equal-I-zer distribution/sway. I added bolt-on Helwig springs for added stability. From a tow/ride perspective I feel confident. I can see where a 3/4 or 1 ton would instill more confidence, but I'm feeling fine where I am. Power wise, my gas engine is rated at 310/365 hp/torque. That just seemed OK, but I could use a smidge more as it wanted to shift out of top gear more than before. Instead of a newer truck, I flashed in a MaxEnergy 2.0 program that added 34/34 and now it doesn't call for down-shifting anywhere near as much with the added lower-end torque. I can maintain 65 on 7 degree inclines (in 4th gear, out of 6). I've never seen my water and oil temps deviate from normal driving.

I'm NOT advocating a 1/2 ton truck or a Ford... just some insight into my experience with a half ton towing a Classic. Personally, I just didn't want to get into a 3/4+ truck if I could avoid it.
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Old 09-07-2016, 11:43 AM   #31
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Thanks for the good report Jeff, more encouragement, our EcoDiesel capability is similar. I agree on staying with a half-ton truck when we already have one that performs very well in all towing conditions, and one that we like of all our daily needs.

The strongest case against the EcoDiesel I have seen is needing to use the transmission and brakes wisely when towing in maybe 2% of our travels. And more load capacity than we ever need.

Which suggests it's not suited for everybody, but highly capable for many.
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Old 09-07-2016, 03:07 PM   #32
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Thanks!

All,

I didn't mean to start a religious war, but clearly there are different points of view on my question. At any rate, I'm really grateful for all of the constructive input. You folks are awesome!

It makes some sense for me to try and pull the Classic with my current EcoDiesel. If I'm not comfortable I'll likely buy the 2500. My wife, on the other hand, has her mind made up on the 2500. It's likely she will have the last word, but she'll let me have my day in the court of trying!

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Old 09-07-2016, 03:49 PM   #33
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Well capnttom, wait 'til you ask about hitches.

Anyway enjoy whatever you have and we are all here to help.
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Old 09-07-2016, 03:57 PM   #34
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So hard to get away from emotion when it gets to TV/Airstream combos. I do find it unsettling that someone with a 25' trailer and an ecodiesel and is clearly delighted with it would advise someone with a new 30' Classic that a 1500 is the right truck. I disagree. I've put just under 50,000 miles on my '14 Ram 2500 w/Cummins. All but 3,000 (approx) have been towing, and for the past 19 months, with a '15 Classic. Prior to the Classic I had a 2012 28' International CCD. I towed that trailer for about 9 months until my Classic was delivered. I cannot imagine -- at all -- towing up and down the Rockies, the Appalachians, the Berkshires, the Tetons, etc. and being "delighted" with the performance of an Ecodiesel. Particularly, the performance going DOWNHILL when the exhaust brake kicks in and saves the disks on the truck and the drums on the trailer. Not in a million years would I tow my Classic with a 1500.
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And you are certainly entitled to your opinion. And for some people, a 1500 is not the right truck.

But for some, it is the perfect choice. So we should respect their opinions as well.
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BAB (Barry), the was pretty sharp. I responded to the original poster based on our excellent experience with our EcoDiesel, that he already owns one and asked about it, and the Classic as he intends to load it is within EcoDiedel specs. I also recommended a 3.92 axle (which he has) for better power and engine compression braking on steeper grades, disc brake conversion on the Classic for safe braking on long descents, a ProPride hitch for absolute stability, and reduced speed climbing and descending grades as the ultimate safety margin.

I am not an unsafe person; my military career was aircraft maintenance and I managed a squadron's Quality Assurance/Safety Division. It has stuck with me.

I completely agree with one point, the EcoDiesel is a delight to drive and tow an Airstream with.
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Old 09-07-2016, 08:50 PM   #39
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Those are some excellent replies without anyone getting into "my trucks better than your truck/car" discussions, just sticking to facts. And the fact is, a 2500 diesel, for towing, is very difficult to improve upon for all the stated reasons coming from experienced people.
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Indeed! We have an '08 Classic limited 34' with slide so the decision to go with a 2500 diesel was easy (especially coming from a 2500 gasser). The ability to tow was significantly improved uphill as well as having exhaust brakes for the downhill side...

The newer 30' Classics weigh a lot, not as much as our 34' but close. With a 2500 diesel, you won't ever wish you had more power going uphill nor will you worry about your brakes going downhill... With a 1500 (or 150), you will.

We've had five Airstreams (22', 23', 27', 30' & 34'), towed with both F150 Ecoboost, F250 diesel & now, a 2500 Duramax diesel.

The difference IS comforting with a larger truck & load. Also, with the heavier tow, having a heavier Diesel engine up front helps balance the load with a standard bed truck.

And now, I'm quite partial to a tri-axle Airstream!
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After reading the entire post and the several others on this topic hers is what it boils down to. A properly equipped 150/1500 will probably do the job and you may or may not be comfortable driving it. A 250/2500 (diesel) will definitely pull anything Airstream has ever made with ease. The Ford vs Dodge vs GM debate will continue forever.
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Gee, went all over the country in a car pulling an 8k Silver Streak in the 1970s. Slow up the hills. So what? The rest of the year it was the better choice.

So, let's see. An average of 5k annually pulling a trailer. 15k annually otherwise. A few ascents at wide open throttle, be it Wolf Creek or Cabbage do not dictate what's best the other 99.7% of the time.

It's the braking power, not the engine power. And in that instance, it is the trailer brakes that matter. After that it is the tire contact patch on the TV. More initial weight psi isn't to the better.

And, unless a Diesel TV has brake controller that applies trailer braking in conjunction, using it alone on a descent is damn near as stupid as using it or cruise control in the rain. The slack at the hitch makes the combo more vulnerable to crosswinds than at ANY other time.

A one ton really is nice when you e sold the house and everything is in truck and trailer. It's a trade off. Not a performance boost. You want that then equip the trailer with antilock disc brakes and its own electronic antisway.
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All,

I didn't mean to start a religious war, but clearly there are different points of view on my question. At any rate, I'm really grateful for all of the constructive input. You folks are awesome!

It makes some sense for me to try and pull the Classic with my current EcoDiesel. If I'm not comfortable I'll likely buy the 2500. My wife, on the other hand, has her mind made up on the 2500. It's likely she will have the last word, but she'll let me have my day in the court of trying!

Thanks again!
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We have an October road trip planned.(WO the AS).
I was really looking forward to driving it on the open road.

I was recently informed that it's not going to happen as she set on taking the Burb.
Something about more room for the dog, plus it seems we are transporting some 'stuff' I know nothing about.

It brings to light the old adage ........"she's not Happy, 'til your not Happy"

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