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Old 09-06-2016, 02:23 PM   #15
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Here is the experience of another user pulling a 28 (lighter than a Classic) with Ram EcoDiesel. He is also moving on to an HD truck:

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f463...ml#post1846889

Per Ram website a Ram 1500 Laramie EcoDiesel 4X4 has a tow rating of 8350# and a payload rating of 1100#. A Ram 2500 Laramie Cummins 4X4 has a tow rating of 17100# and a payload rating of 2250#. That more than twice the tow/payload ratings.

Tow ratings (and payload ratings) exist for a reason. They are there so customers can make an informed decision.
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Old 09-06-2016, 02:24 PM   #16
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I just have to ask. You are telling us that the lighter truck with smaller brakes and a lighter frame is somehow better at stopping a trailer and controlling the trailer and is less likely to overturn in a collision due to its lower center of gravity . That seems to defy logic, physics and common sense. Please don't be offended but what actual science or testing did you base this opinion upon. I will gladly take any facts into consideration and change my understanding of how things work if I am wrong in my belief that in most circumstances the vehicle with the largest mass and biggest engine usually wins. No offense is intended by my comments.
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Old 09-06-2016, 03:03 PM   #17
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I like a lot of of others started out with a F150, great truck but as others have said the half ton just wasn't happy in the hills. Bought a 250 diesel and couldn't believe the difference. I feel much more in control and relaxed. Oh and as for the comments on the 2017 F250 all true, this truck is worth looking into. I picked mine up last week.
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Old 09-06-2016, 03:28 PM   #18
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The only way to stop worrying about making the right decision is to GO BIG. With my 2015 F250 Powerstroke TV I NEVER worry about the calculations for towing my 2015 27' FC. It's always right, always safe, always economical.

As always...JUST HAVE FUN!!!
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Old 09-06-2016, 04:17 PM   #19
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Several years ago, my sweetie & I bought a 32 ft, 10K lb, Forest River 5th wheel. We also bought a Ram 2500 diesel to tow it. At the end of our first day of our "maiden voyage" with the 5th wheel, I turned to her & said, "This doesn't work for me --- too big, too much. I just don't feel comfortable towing it." We turned around & returned home, went to the next RV show, saw the Airstream exhibit, & eventually traded the 5th wheel in on an AS 27 FB, at 6K lb.

Several weeks ago, we returned from our "maiden voyage" with the AS 27 --- 9K miles in 6 weeks, from Seattle to the AS rally in WV, around the midwest, then back home. We're now on our 2nd trip, down the OR coast, & are now in the redwoods on the northern CA coast, between Crescent City & Eureka.

What I can say is that towing our AS 27, all of 6K lbs of it, with the Ram 2500 diesel is a DELIGHT!!! Yes, it slows down the Ram a little bit in pickup --- it feels as if I have a full load of gravel in the bed, so I'm not going to break any zero to 60 acceleration records. But other than the extra weight, it's as if the trailer is just NOT THERE --- whether on the flats or over the Rockies. [And, yes, I've owned an (older) F150: no comparison. May be the newer ones are better, but mine had real problems when I put an 8 ft, non-self-contained Lance camper on it.]

Two comments:

1. I paid approx. $55K for my 2015 Ram 2500 diesel 4x4 Laramie with a lot of options on it (but neither air suspension nor Ramboxes) so $70K seems unrealistically high to me unless your dealer simply won't negotiate.

2. I shopped nationally, from coast to coast, for our AS 27, and got the best price, by over $1K, from Toscano RV, in Los Banos, CA --- exactly $7K less than the best quote from our local dealer, AS Adventures, in the NW & SF.
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Old 09-06-2016, 04:37 PM   #20
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Forum member VernDiesel has considerable experience with his EcoDiesel towing Airstreams commercially and gives some very good insights here in post 25 and 26. My EcoDiesel experience agrees with his for the most part.

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f463...ml#post1846752
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Old 09-06-2016, 06:21 PM   #21
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@cory-can... You hit it out of the park with that reply, hope you don't mind if I copy and paste that every time my friends ask about tow vehicles....right now all I do is shrug and say my duramax seems to do okay😬
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Old 09-06-2016, 06:35 PM   #22
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I thought you might like to hear about the weights we have encountered with our 2016 Classic. Fully loaded, including the tanks, our Classic weighed 8715 lbs. So you could likely stay below your current truck's towing limit if you pack like we do. You will also have to be sure the combined weight of a loaded Classic and your loaded Ram 1500 stays below your Ram's GCWR.

BTW, we had to move some weight (i.e., water gallons) to the front end of the Classic to get the tongue weight up to at least 870 (10%). (Initially, with tongue weight outside the recommended 10-15% range, we experienced some sway even with our 2500 Ram/Cummins diesel.

If you plan to buy a 2500, be sure you check the actual payload on the drivers side door sticker, which may be well under the payload that the manufacturer reports for that base model. In our case, we added lots of options (e.g., 4x4, Rambox, chrome package, etc), so our actual payload (1930 lbs) is 450 lbs less than the reported payload for our base model. Therefore, in our case, we have only 1060 lbs of remaining truck payload for "people and stuff".
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Old 09-06-2016, 07:22 PM   #23
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Try it with what 'ya got, consider other folks 'opinions, make up your own mind.

My 'opinion'....an 8.1 Burb.

BTW..its not the TV that prevents sway.

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Old 09-06-2016, 08:16 PM   #24
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Hi,

My wife and I had the exact same dilemma this spring, I had just leased a 2015 Ram 1500 and we than decided to get a 2017 Classic. After a few sleepless nights we decided that getting a Ram 2500 Turbo Diesel was the right thing to do. We live in CO and traveled through WY, MT, ID, WA, OR and UT this summer. The 2500 made pulling our Classic so easy. I seriously had to slow myself down at times because the Ram 2500 pulled that AS like it weighted 10-lbs not 10,000. I think the smartest decision we made was to become a two Ram family.

Stay safe and hope this bit of information helps.
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Old 09-06-2016, 10:05 PM   #25
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phann, thanks for the weight information of your Classic 30, useful information.

Bob, good advice as usual.

Cory Can, did you ever actually tow your Classic 30 with the EcoDiesel, or with a Hensley/ProPride equipped EcoDiesel 3.92 axles? It's not clear in your post.

eawotr, did you ever actually tow your Classic 30 with your Ram 1500, and is it an EcoDiesel?

I'm becoming more encouraged about the EcoDiesel/Classic 30 combination for our own use. phann indicates we would probably be towing about 1400 lbs more Airstream than we have now, with less hitch weight. Knowing how well our EcoDiesel handles our present Airstream, we might do well and even stay within the factory (suggested) ratings.

Remember, we did the Ike Gauntlet with 60 air-cooled horsepower in our VW Camper Van many, many years ago and thought nothing of it, so our point of reference may be a little different than others here.
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Old 09-06-2016, 10:08 PM   #26
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Well, as usual, you've gotten useful and conflicting info!

My 2 cent's worth? On a steep climb/descent or an emergency stop/evasion/correction no one has ever said "Gee, I wish I had less truck!"

My story is that I have a 27FB Classic - 9,000# GVW. For the first year we had it, I towed it with my 15 year old Dodge 2500 CTD 4x4 Reg Cab/Long Box. More than adequate; but, as it was set up to be a farm truck, it rode like a deuce and a half. Two long trips and my wife cried foul. Replaced it last year with a '15 Ram 3500 CTD Crew Cab/Long Bed. Rides like a Caddy and doesn't seem to know that there is a large trailer following it. The improvements between the 2001 Dodge and the 2015 Ram are amazing. I went with the 3500 because, once I spec'd it out, it was around $200 more than the 2500 - and gave me much more load and towing capacity (4200lbs payload!). Second reason was that the 3500 still used the Hotchkiss leaf springs in the rear, and the 2500 now has coil springs on all 4 wheels. With heavy loads and towing, I prefer the leaf springs. The payload is as much a consideration as the towing capacity. A couple of previous posters have mentioned the challenges of traveling "light" or "heavy" - and that depends on the type/length of your planned trips and how self-contained you prefer to be. We usually travel light now that I am limited to vacation time; but want the option of being able to go heavy for long trips when I retire next year. So, we got a truck we could "grow" into.

Ford/GM/Ram - all are good and all have their faithful followers. I preferred the Ram for several reasons: 1. I had yeoman's service from my previous Dodge/CTD; and the Ram/CTD is the last pickup in America that you can still get with a stick shift. Love my 6 speed "handshaker".

One caveat and recommendation if you go with a 2500 or 3500 is to protect your vehicle and trailer investment with an AirSafe hitch. It allows the TT and TV to "float" independently of each other, and not transfer road shocks back and forth. I got a Class VI AirSafe and use it in conjunction with an Equalizer weight distribution/anti sway hitch (I do not think that you can combine the AirSafe with a Hensley or some of the other premium hitches). My combo has seen us through some heavily shelled sections of interstate with nary a cabinet opened or pillow displaced.

Final thought, which Cory has already stated eloquently, is the level of comfort a big truck gives you on a big trailer. We buy these toys to have fun; not to endure 5,000 mile white knuckle rides. I *really* enjoy my TV/TT combo. Get whatever will make you the happiest... See you on the road!
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Old 09-06-2016, 11:35 PM   #27
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phann, thanks for the weight information of your Classic 30, useful information.

Bob, good advice as usual.

Cory Can, did you ever actually tow your Classic 30 with the EcoDiesel, or with a Hensley/ProPride equipped EcoDiesel 3.92 axles? It's not clear in your post.

eawotr, did you ever actually tow your Classic 30 with your Ram 1500, and is it an EcoDiesel?

I'm becoming more encouraged about the EcoDiesel/Classic 30 combination for our own use. phann indicates we would probably be towing about 1400 lbs more Airstream than we have now, with less hitch weight. Knowing how well our EcoDiesel handles our present Airstream, we might do well and even stay within the factory (suggested) ratings.

Remember, we did the Ike Gauntlet with 60 air-cooled horsepower in our VW Camper Van many, many years ago and thought nothing of it, so our point of reference may be a little different than others here.
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We did tow with the Ram 1500 from Boulder to Grand Lake. The route we took takes up I-70 through Eisenhower Tunnel and than up and over Berthod Pass into Winter Park and than to Grand Lake. We made it in the 1500 but we struggled to maintain speed on 70 and on the pass. We also got pretty hot coming down the other side of the pass.

It was after that trip that we bought the 2016 RAM 2500 Limited with the 6.7 turbo diesel. There is no comparison between the two trucks. I can maintain 65-70mph uphill on I-70 with the 2500 and have no issue with heat build up. The 1500 I was pushing it to maintain 45-50. Also the automatic exhaust brake on the 2500 is just amazing. Slows you down without overheating your transmission. The ride in the 2500 when loaded up and pulling is amazing, I love the factory airbags, like I said you can almost forget your towing the AS it does such a great job.

Stay safe and keep the rubber side down.

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Old 09-07-2016, 06:23 AM   #28
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Thanks Beth. Was your Ram 1500 an EcoDiesel or 5.7 gas Hemi (we've had both)? Also what was the axle ratio, 3.55 or 3.92 (we've had both of these as well)?

For another poster here I would point out our two Ram 1500 experiences with a ProPride hitch have not been "white knuckle" for 5,000 miles. We've driven far more than that and I would describe it as perfectly relaxed with two fingers on the steering wheel needed (although I prefer three) no matter what the wind conditions or semi's blowing by. One of the many reasons we prefer this size tow vehicle.
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