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Old 06-08-2016, 05:06 PM   #15
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Electric pads certainly aren't desirable for late fall/winter temps if you like boon docking. Beauty of propane heat is off grid camping, at least for the water tanks.
Oh good point. That would mean the new Classic is even more tethered to shore power.
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Old 06-08-2016, 10:40 PM   #16
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Old 06-09-2016, 10:41 AM   #17
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Does anyone have any data on how much power tank heater pads draw in an AS? Are the 12V or 120V? Would be good to know for the new Classic but may be similar to some of the smaller trailers.
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Old 06-11-2016, 08:07 AM   #18
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Living in Yellowstone in May I can say for sure that the forced air heating system doesn't dry out the air. Condensation everywhere. Bought a small dehumidifier but still bad. Blocked the front vents about 50% each which pushed more hot air into the bedroom and quieted the blowing noise a little
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Old 06-11-2016, 08:54 AM   #19
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The information presented above points to the 2017 Classic being a RV park queen or only where lots of electricity is available. If off the grid in cold weather, the electric heat pads would be MIA as the batteries would go flat quickly. The propane furnace of old also heated the tanks. All these new gadgets will become maintenance nightmares down the road when the two year warranty expires....

We are extremely happy that we have a 2014 31' Classic that does not have the ductless air system, power awnings, power beds, power stabilizers and electric dinette table adjustments. We have a full sofa in front that can be turned into a queen if needed and have our Magnum MS-2812 and 600 amp-hour lithium battery under it. We have the small storage cabinet both at floor level and overhead between the dinette and the sofa.

We will be installing the Dometic CU434 stove and a Danfoss freon based 12Vdc powered Vitrifrigo DP2600 refrigerator in the fall along with one or two more solar panels on the roof.

Heck, I need the small amount of exercise it takes to adjust the stabilizers or put the awning in or out.....
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Old 06-11-2016, 09:59 AM   #20
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Confused about new heating

My husband and I are very torn right now. Get the Classic 2016 that is on the lot or order the 2017. Our time frame leans more toward the 17 but we are not sure of the new heating system. There is a propane line into the new system but you still "need" to be plugged in to use it?
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Old 06-11-2016, 11:26 AM   #21
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My husband and I are very torn right now. Get the Classic 2016 that is on the lot or order the 2017. Our time frame leans more toward the 17 but we are not sure of the new heating system. There is a propane line into the new system but you still "need" to be plugged in to use it?

Probably not, as any RV hydronic heating system that I have ever worked on is 12VDC based for it's control voltage. The Alde systems I have seen were 12VDC/LP.


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Old 06-11-2016, 12:27 PM   #22
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Thank You. That is helpful. I could not imaging Airstream creating something that you HAD to keep plugged into power to stay warm. Clearly my knowledge is limited but we need to move on the 2016 if that is our decision and understanding the 17 is key.
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Old 06-11-2016, 07:00 PM   #23
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I'm curious how the radiant heat would work with the twin Classic. In the queen, the radiators are on the bedroom side walls. This is right where the two side exterior compartment openings are on the twin. Does that mean on the twin they will remove these compartments with exterior access? If not, do they put the radiators next to the mattress and make the mattresses 4 inches less deep? Or do they just skip that area of radiator and only use the back/headrest area?

I've contemplated if I'd trade in my 2016 with for a 2017 with Alde system with mixed thoughts.

As for the heater power, it should actually take less battery power to run the radiant heat pump (with heat source LP), than the blower fan on the 2016 and before. The big questions would be, how much electric power do those tank heater pads require, and are they able to keep the tanks warm in cold weather.

I do definitely like the electric management system they put in it, that's pretty nice.
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Old 06-11-2016, 07:16 PM   #24
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I had to chuckle when I saw they (finally) put in a kill switch for the awning. While I like the idea of the radiant heat, I'm not sure I like the installation taking as much wall space as it does. Will be interested in how it works. I'd be surprised if they didn't have a radiator in the bathroom -- would a small towel warmer put out enough heat to warm the space? I see some significant learning curves for Airstream dealers with the added electronics, centralized touchpad and radiant heat. Hopefully, the rollout goes more smoothly than the awning, which has required reprogramming and a host of other issues for those who had this option when they were first installed.
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Old 06-11-2016, 07:55 PM   #25
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I had to chuckle when I saw they (finally) put in a kill switch for the awning. While I like the idea of the radiant heat, I'm not sure I like the installation taking as much wall space as it does. Will be interested in how it works. I'd be surprised if they didn't have a radiator in the bathroom -- would a small towel warmer put out enough heat to warm the space? I see some significant learning curves for Airstream dealers with the added electronics, centralized touchpad and radiant heat. Hopefully, the rollout goes more smoothly than the awning, which has required reprogramming and a host of other issues for those who had this option when they were first installed.
When I was at JC last week and I had the opportunity to go through the new 17 with a Technician, we looked quite extensively for a bathroom radiator and could not find one or any openings for the heat to radiate thru such as the offset countertop in the kitchen. If there is anything besides the towel warmer, we couldn't find it? They may be smarter than we think? Although it did take three model years for them to install the Zip Dee "recommended" awning switch! I do know that if I gave up three inches of floor space on my side of the bed, I would either be kicking the drawer or radiator every time I got up!
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Old 06-11-2016, 08:10 PM   #26
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"Only improvements...." Hmmmm, since the two of us have delved deeply into the "guts" of our trailers, I trust your investigative skills as far as the (perhaps) hidden (or absent) bathroom radiator. But, I'm delighted to see Airstream continue to invest in the Classic. I do wonder, though, if some of the "improvement" couldn't be in upgrading what you CAN'T see -- like a high quality multi-stage converter/charger unit (which many of us changed out first thing). Then, with all the 12V power demands of the Classic, it really makes good sense to go to an inverter that has adequate capacity to run the trailer off the grid...which means better battery capacity....and for some of us, that also meant more than a few measly watts of solar. Gary Haynes has the set-up of the future with Lithiums. Once my 4 6V Lifelines die, I'm headed there myself. Of course, there is major cost involved in a decent battery-inverter-charging system. This is NOT visible to the customer, but unless you always want to be tethered to shore power or a massive generator, then battery power isn't a "nice to have" thing, it's essential. I have found that if a have a full tank of fresh water and plenty of battery power, I'm good for just about anything. A couple of weeks ago we were at the FOD rally in W. Memphis. The campground lost its electrical system while we were visiting Graceland. It was hot. My two dogs were in the trailer, and when the power went off, my set-up allowed the batteries to power the A/C until we got back and could start up the generator. So, I suppose all this "hidden" power isn't as sexy as new power panels and controls, but once you lose the 12V, those panels won't be doing much. Just sayin'....
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Old 06-11-2016, 09:11 PM   #27
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I'm pretty sure the converter is the same 1000w junk brand with the loud fan as can be heard in this video of Colonials 2017 Classic systems overview:

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Old 06-11-2016, 10:41 PM   #28
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I like the radiant heat, we avoid using the noisy irregular forced air system when possible. We travel during the winter months throughout the South. Am wondering if a retrofit to our 25 is reasonable. Looks like a basic radiator system that has been in housing for years, on a smaller scale. The tank heating pads were in our 2007 Safari 20, seldom needed them but they work fine.
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