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Old 10-17-2015, 09:42 PM   #71
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Interesting question Dave. It will be good to see if anyone chimes in.
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Old 10-18-2015, 08:18 AM   #72
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I had a 30' Flying Cloud that I towed with a 2015 F150. I found that I was quite lacking in the payload department and at times felt I was getting pushed around by winds and passing vehicles. In the mountain area's I knew the truck was working quite hard. This was a Platinum trim level. The higher the trim the lower the payload. Anyway when I decided to go with a 2016 Classic which is about 1000lbs heavier I decided to step up to a F250 diesel. While attending the International rally I did not see any F150"s towing a 30 footer except myself. In 2017 the F250 series will become as smart as the F150's are now. I really enjoyed my F150 but was a little too squeamish pulling a 30 footer.
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Old 10-19-2015, 07:17 AM   #73
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TinCan, ... Very informative. Currently, I'm pulling a 89, Excella 1000. 29. it's GVWR is 6800, ... (I never travel with anything in my tanks). My F150 is rated at 9800. So it makes sense that I've always felt comfortable towing her.
I can well imagine at 8800, or 10000 a significant difference.

Thanks for the great feedback.
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Old 10-19-2015, 09:05 AM   #74
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I had a 30' Flying Cloud that I towed with a 2015 F150. I found that I was quite lacking in the payload department and at times felt I was getting pushed around by winds and passing vehicles. In the mountain area's I knew the truck was working quite hard. This was a Platinum trim level. The higher the trim the lower the payload. Anyway when I decided to go with a 2016 Classic which is about 1000lbs heavier I decided to step up to a F250 diesel. While attending the International rally I did not see any F150"s towing a 30 footer except myself. In 2017 the F250 series will become as smart as the F150's are now. I really enjoyed my F150 but was a little too squeamish pulling a 30 footer.
If I remember right the current F150 has the ability to have substantially larger payload than the early 2015 did. The HD payload package has not been available till now but this option gives it a payload very similar to what an F250 normally is. Couple this with the Eco-boost and I'm thinking the F150 would deal with something like a Classic very well.

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Old 10-19-2015, 09:45 AM   #75
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Looking at the F150 page the highest payload spec was 3270# (V8). EcoBoost, Regular Cab 4x2, 141.4" WB was 3240#. 2016 Ford F-150 Full Size Pickup Truck | Payload Specifications | Ford.com
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Old 10-19-2015, 12:18 PM   #76
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Doug, I would think so too but look at Tin Can's response. He had a FC, 30 being pulled by a 2015 F150, (I assume it was properly equipped to handle 12200), and he's saying he was getting blown around and the engine was working hard. ....
Whenever I watch you tube vids of Gas vs. Diesel Gas vids are always working hard.
That's just what they do.

I think this, 'working hard', behavior is true regardless if it's a gas truck pulling a trailer or a Gas Class A.

Tin Can believed, that his F150 seemed inadequate.

I think it's very interesting that he didn't see other 150's towing a 30footer. Is that the 150 hasn't garnered the respect amongst the traditional AS crowd? Is the 6.7 F250 overkill? Could it be that Airstreamers are REALLY risk averse?

Where we are in our life now is local campgrounds around the Atlanta area and Fla.
Some small mountains, (hills), in the N. Ga. mountains.

But one day I want to traverse the Rocky Mountains.

And I don't much care for the idea of white knuckle driving either up or down a big ol mountain a tiny bit more than I like the idea of sinking 65k into a tow vehicle.

the 2017's seem really nice though eh?


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Old 10-19-2015, 06:39 PM   #77
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When it comes to this sort of stuff everyone has their own opinion...
For tin-can to talk about he felt his F150 was a little short on Payload capacity. I'm guessing he was. He said he has a 2015 Platinum trim and as a result his truck will not have the HD Payload package and probably has a payload of around 1200 - 1400 lbs. He also talked about the truck being pushed around by larger trucks and heavy winds. This might very well have not much to do with the truck and have lots to do with the hitch he is using and how it is setup.

My 2014 Lariat has a payload of 1846 and I know the new F150 (with the payload package) can achieve a payload of around 2300 - 2500. That puts you into the same payload range as the F250 (depending on trim level).

I pull a 28' FC with my F150. I pull through the mountains all the time and actually just got back from a 6-week trip that saw me head west across the rockies and into Vancouver BC. Then down the Oregon coast and into Central California. From there we turned north and travelled the mountains all the way back up to Canada. The F150 performed perfectly and the Eco-boost has more than enough power. As a result I feel a F250 is not needed and a diesel engine would be a waste of money and time. I'm told the 28' Airstream has the heaviest hitch weight of (any) Airstream so thinking that my F150 would also perform well with a 30.

I put 78,000 KM (almost 50,000 miles) on my rig in the last 12 months alone and can tell you that I have NOT felt once that I wanted a F250. I have travelled to all the corners of North America so we have covered everything from Prairies to the highest mountains passes and I'm very happy with this combination.

Many established folks in the AS community feel they need a 250 series truck to pull their AS. This might very well come from the fact that they have been using these 250/350 trucks for years and they don't know anything different. As they say it's "Hard To Teach Old Dog's New Trick's".

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Doug, I would think so too but look at Tin Can's response. He had a FC, 30 being pulled by a 2015 F150, (I assume it was properly equipped to handle 12200), and he's saying he was getting blown around and the engine was working hard. ....
Whenever I watch you tube vids of Gas vs. Diesel Gas vids are always working hard.
That's just what they do.

I think this, 'working hard', behavior is true regardless if it's a gas truck pulling a trailer or a Gas Class A.

Tin Can believed, that his F150 seemed inadequate.

I think it's very interesting that he didn't see other 150's towing a 30footer. Is that the 150 hasn't garnered the respect amongst the traditional AS crowd? Is the 6.7 F250 overkill? Could it be that Airstreamers are REALLY risk averse?

Where we are in our life now is local campgrounds around the Atlanta area and Fla.
Some small mountains, (hills), in the N. Ga. mountains.

But one day I want to traverse the Rocky Mountains.

And I don't much care for the idea of white knuckle driving either up or down a big ol mountain a tiny bit more than I like the idea of sinking 65k into a tow vehicle.

the 2017's seem really nice though eh?


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Old 10-19-2015, 11:20 PM   #78
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In response to my thoughts and some of the above remarks. My 2015 F150 Platinum only had a payload of 1300lbs. Again as I mentioned above the higher the trim level the lower the payload. The truck handled the pulling part just fine. As pretty much a full timer I of course carry just about everything that I think I might need so consequently I was very much pushing the payload capacity. Aside from that my F150 was the most sophisticated and pleasant to drive vehicle I have ever owned.

I have taken delivery of my F250 (diesel) and to my pleasant surprise fuel economy is right up there with the F150 echo boost. I have not as yet pulled my trailer but I am assuming that when pulling my AS fuel economy should go up a couple of mpg.
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Thanks TinCan and Doug for your input.
Like anything new I guess if it weren't for the early adopters we'd never change our views right?

Any other early adopters pulling a Classic with a new F150?
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Old 10-20-2015, 11:42 AM   #80
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So a current model breakdown, ... on the AS site,
Classic Hitch = 773
FC 30 = 880
FC 28 = 976

The Classic weighs more than the others but it's hitch weight is roughly 200 pounds less than the Heaviest FC that Doug pulls successfully with his Lariat.

very interesting.
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Old 10-20-2015, 12:30 PM   #81
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Thanks TinCan and Doug for your input.
Like anything new I guess if it weren't for the early adopters we'd never change our views right?

Any other early adopters pulling a Classic with a new F150?
I noted Tin Can's comment earlier:
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While attending the International rally I did not see any F150"s towing a 30 footer except myself.
In someways I find this comment to be very real and I'm sure true! Is this reality also influenced by the demographic that seems to go to the International? Please don't get me wrong, but looking at the pictures there seems to be a large percentage of senior members of the WBCCI and I'm just wondering outloud if that impacts the TV survey.... Lord only knows if this comes into play or not, but it might have some impact.....

I was at a WBCCI Rally last spring and there was 4-30Ft units in attendance. One of them being a classic and the other 3 being International's. The Classic was being pulled by a Toyota Tundra, 1 International was being pulled by a 1500 series Dodge with a Hemi and the other 2 30ft. were being pulled by F150's with eco-boosts.

So who knows......
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Old 10-20-2015, 12:33 PM   #82
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So a current model breakdown, ... on the AS site,
Classic Hitch = 773
FC 30 = 880
FC 28 = 976

The Classic weighs more than the others but it's hitch weight is roughly 200 pounds less than the Heaviest FC that Doug pulls successfully with his Lariat.

very interesting.
WOW is the new Classic that light on the hitch? Thats interesting!
As a side note. The really world hitch numbers are (really) bigger that the ones stated by AS. I'm thinking my 28' is about 1070 lbs.
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Remember the optimism of published hitch weights. No WD setup, just the trailer and no real loading. I am close at about 960# with my PP stuff installed without the head in the installed.
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Old 10-20-2015, 05:52 PM   #84
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Add a 100 pounds to the classic hitch weight from AS and we're still under a plump 28 FC
At the end of the day though isn't that why we love them, curves n all?
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