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Old 01-31-2016, 11:28 AM   #85
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switz, I was being sarcastic.

I'm reasonably sure everyone knows the history of your experience. I'm sorry you are having issues.
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Old 01-31-2016, 11:31 AM   #86
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I feel that it indicates an overall lack of attention to detail. This is something taught in basic junior high home ec and shop.

Cabinetry cut from solid laminate will have no pattern to be of concern. Hence that is acceptable in a Sport. It leads to little waste in designing how to layout the items when cutting from a sheet of product.

Use of a patterned material (whether in a fabric for sewing upholstery, or in wood grain for cabinetry) requires a careful study of piece placement so that the finished look is pleasing to the eye and conveys careful thought to the geometry and construction of the item. This by necessity will result in more scrap/waste that using a solid material with no pattern. But the opportunity to create a more artistic/higher level of design and the zen/beauty of the creation by using proper construction is the desired higher level of quality of thought and artistry of creation.

But to fail to do this correctly leads to a visually jarring output, as you eye cannot rest; it is continually trying to fix the error and solve the visual riddle. Better do it right or not do it at all. Claiming that nature is random is not an excuse to not have human-made use of nature be done in a way that integrates planning and skill with nature.
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Old 01-31-2016, 11:59 AM   #87
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Doug - if you check out their PDF brochure, the laminate isn't aligned in those interior pics either. Entirely possible the "randomness" is an intentional design element - one that will/won't resonate with folks for many reasons - but based on the sales brochure, I don't think you can attribute this to a failure on the line.
That laminate not lining up is a friggin joke. Ive been one to defend AS, but there is no excuse for this. Ive done upholstery work and only the slipshod shops release work like that. For that kind of exclusivity and price there is no way this should be released to the public for sale or viewing. Spend more time and use more laminate and produce something to be proud of, not embarrassed by.
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I feel that it indicates an overall lack of attention to detail. This is something taught in basic junior high home ec and shop.

The majority of schools in America no longer teach home ec or shop.

I'm sure that many Airstream employees have the necessary skills to build fantastic trailers, if only they were given the time and materials to do so. However, it's very likely that many of the newer empolyees - especially the younger ones - have little to no background in the required skills. While I'm sure Airstream does on-the-job training, the starting point in basic construction skills for many employees is probably a lot lower than it used to be.
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My understanding is the majority of cabinetry and counter tops are subbed out. So its more of accepting lowest/best bid per spec.
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Old 01-31-2016, 12:56 PM   #90
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My understanding is the majority of cabinetry and counter tops are subbed out. So its more of accepting lowest/best bid per spec.
It would be interesting to see if the specs include aligning the wood planks/grain in the wood cabinet fronts. Ditto to previous comments -- the mismatched boards caught my eye right away as an obvious mistake and/or lack of quality.

The photos on the AS site show similarly mismatched cabinet fronts under the galley sink [scroll through the Design photos -- 4/5 shows this]:

http://www.airstream.com/pendleton/design/

so presumably the cabinet front "look" is intentional . . .

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Interesting how the imperfections can almost be a plus. Some would look at them and think it just made the trsiler more exclusive. I bought a new Buell motorcycle in pearl white. The bubbles in the paint made it even neater to own, great conversation piece and never took away any of its value. Maybe the flaws on this trailer will make it even more desireable to some being that it is a limited production model. With the Buell, people would look for the imperfections and smile as they found them.. Kind of strange.
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Is the Pendleton an in-house design effort by AS?
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During my time employed in the rv/mobile business back in the early 70's. The cab shops had mostly older skilled cab makers that had to cheapen up their skills, from dovetailed joints to staples, glue, and particle board. For a custom job using a patterned laminate the senior guy would do it himself, production would allow an earlier start on that project to allow for the need to meet on time on the production line, before sidewalls closed off access.
Sales has to talk about customers requests with the designer, designer has to get with purchasing for the materials to be on hand for production. Production should give the separate depts (cab shop) a heads up a week or two out about what is coming up to allow for the extra time for custom. Then cab shop back to the designer for materials update, to purchasing, to production.
Yes, I agree, as a up scale product, I expect the production mgr had to be reamed by the designer. If not, "designer" has to be more than a office title on a door.
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It is unlikely the "randomness" of the laminate wood grain pattern is intentional. No designer or cabinet maker worth their salt would do this as a good or clever thing; wood grain in this bold a pattern must be aligned or the eye is drawn to the error rather than seeing the whole it as a pleasant composition.



My first impression when seeing the brochure was the drawers were simply placed in the wrong position, could be moved around to straighten things up. But no, someone at Airstream is not paying any attention to it.



Whether this is a production decision to expedite the build, or simply oversight during cabinet assembly, it's not a good way to assemble cabinets. In our Flying Cloud the wood pattern is so neutral you don't notice the grain alignment at all; in the Pendleton it is jolting.

You don't like the looks of it - that's clear and fine with me - I just think if they DIDN'T want it that way, they certainly wouldn't have used it in their sales materials - and as such, I think disparaging production is - in this instance - a mistake.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree until/unless we can hear from someone who knows the actual design.
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That laminate not lining up is a friggin joke. Ive been one to defend AS, but there is no excuse for this. Ive done upholstery work and only the slipshod shops release work like that. For that kind of exclusivity and price there is no way this should be released to the public for sale or viewing. Spend more time and use more laminate and produce something to be proud of, not embarrassed by.

Well I can see this is a visceral topic! 😂

Look - I'm really not defending anything here. I'm just reacting to the assumption of shoddy workmanship. I think it's entirely possible this is the exact design as intended. Love it or hate it - it seems intentional - though I confess - I have no inside info here and am just interpreting what I see - as you and Doug are doing.

Does anyone know how to contact someone who would actually know the design intention?
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I'm not a big fan of the overall Pendleton design, but I personally think it would look worse if the cabinet fronts looked like they were all made of one large sheet. That would make it look almost plastic. Having each separate piece - drawer, door, etc., standout separately is how I think it should look. Maybe it's just because I am used to that look with the wood floors in our house.
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My understanding is the majority of cabinetry and counter tops are subbed out. So its more of accepting lowest/best bid per spec.
During our visit a couple of years ago Jackson Center was cutting and assembling all of the laminate cabinets in-house. The solid wood Classic cabinets were farmed out.
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I think the grain not lining up was intentional. This is to give the look of real/random wood. I think Airstream believes that if everything line up too perfect, it would look too fake.
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