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Old 07-21-2006, 09:41 PM   #15
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I'm always learning here and love the passion that this group exudes.
First, Fred Coldwell's response was solid. I'm a fence sitter but that little speech has power to convince I appreciate the insight.

Second, Why would the VAC allow Airstreams less than 25 years old? Isn’t 25 years old the vintage qualification for most vehicles or collectables? That one seems odd to me. So my '05 would qualify for associate membership? ..Hmm.. If I still have it by the time it graduates to full membership, my 3 year old will have finished with her PhD.

After reading a lot about this WBCCI this week. I'm convinced it's like anything else in life…. What you put in, is what you get out.
If you want to help and teach the community how to rebuild their vintage Airstreams go for it… I want one too, just don't have the room and time right now, I would however show up for classes… If you want to fix the political problems... Go For It that is honorable job….. If you just want to camp and hang with friends… go for it…and send me directions.
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Old 07-21-2006, 10:17 PM   #16
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There's a distinct difference in the pride one feels in showing up with a spiffy Vintage Airstream with a new modification versus what one would feel showing up with the newest Coach off the dealer's lot. Different,
Zep---Don't you think you might be a bit pretentious with that claim. I wouldn't for a moment think you would be anything but proud of a "Spiffy Vintage Airstream", especially if one had hours of labor invested,but to insinuate those who own new coaches are not proud of them is simply not true.-----pieman
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Zep---Don't you think you might be a bit pretentious with that claim. I wouldn't for a moment think you would be anything but proud of a "Spiffy Vintage Airstream", especially if one had hours of labor invested,but to insinuate those who own new coaches are not proud of them is simply not true.-----pieman
Zep,
I think he's got you there.
Mike,
Zep isn't pretentious, just hyperfocused on being Vintage. If you ever get together, I think you'll find you have more in common than you might imagine. Peace, Brothers.
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Second, Why would the VAC allow Airstreams less than 25 years old? Isn’t 25 years old the vintage qualification for most vehicles or collectables? That one seems odd to me. So my '05 would qualify for associate membership?
Yes, if you are also a member of the WBCCI you can be an associate member of the VAC. I guess the reasoning is that you may have a strong interest in the vintage trailers and for one reason or another not currently own one.

As an associate member, you receive the Vintage Advantage newsletter/magazine, are able to attend the VAC Rallies, Open Houses, Happy Hours (which really are happy!) and participate as much or as liitle as you want. You can not vote on issues that effect the IntraClub, hold an office or participate in the Concours d'Elegance. You might also get really bored with all the:
  • polishing demos
  • checking VIN numbers
  • comparing different models
  • comparing "the same" models
  • counting panels
  • scouring ebay for that elusive part
  • laying on your back looking under someone's trailers checking out their banana wraps
  • swap meets & flea markets
  • collecting flamingos & awning lights
  • peeking over fences and behind barns at "buried treasures"
  • vintage trailer talk as VAC'rs don't talk about much else!
Who knows, as an associate member you might also find yourself longing to "upgrade" your membership...and go vintage all the way!

There is a VAC representative in every Region...some are more active with rally planning than others, if your Region doesn't have a VAC Rally on the calendar call 'em up and ask them why not!

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Old 07-21-2006, 11:23 PM   #19
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Who knows, as an associate member you might also find yourself longing to "upgrade" your membership...and go vintage all the way!

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Old 07-22-2006, 12:10 AM   #20
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  • polishing demos
  • checking VIN numbers
  • comparing different models
  • comparing "the same" models
  • counting panels
  • scouring ebay for that elusive part
  • laying on your back looking under someone's trailers checking out their banana wraps
  • swap meets & flea markets
  • collecting flamingos & awning lights
  • peeking over fences and behind barns at "buried treasures"
  • vintage trailer talk (VAC'rs don't talk about much else!
Who knows, as an associate member you might also find yourself longing to "upgrade" your membership...and go vintage all the way!

Shari
Hmmm that's funny...thing is I already do 3/4 of those things already!... No doubt I will own a second AS in due time... I've got my eyes open the right one finds you. It's kind of like spouse.
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Old 07-22-2006, 12:18 AM   #21
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Just a slight clarification...your trailer DOES NOT have to be 25 years or older to associate with the VAC.Shari
hi shari
as you noted in your quote from my post...
i distinctly mentioned becoming a 'member' not an associate...
while i think having the associate category is a nifty tool...

also, it did promp a shameless plug for the vac...from you
and a question (az') about associates joining
who have newer units
it's all good.

i have reservations in crede
so i can meet and associate with
a younger airstream demographic
that cannot afford new,
or just likes old stuff that's been used
or making a unique trailer, uniquely theirs...

i have purchased a vac tee shirt
but not planning to join vac as an associate
so i can yet again not vote...i'm already a mal!

zep, kelvan, az and others....

i wasn't planning to respond again in this thread...
but missed zeps remark about 'vintage pride'...

so here are a couple of thoughts to chew...

"pride is an admission of weakness;
it secretly fears all competition and dreads all rivals." ....fulton j. sheen

"in pride,
in reasoning pride
our error lies,
all quit their sphere and rush into the skies,
pride still is aiming at the blest abodes:
men would be angles,
angles would be god,
aspiring to be god if angles fell,
aspiring to be angles men rebel...."
alexander pope

what's my point?
as favorably as the vac is mentioned on the forums,
it is not without flaws.
or folks who have been treated poorly
at vintage rallies or functions...
i've met a few and heard their stories
pride and pridefulness are often at the root...

shari has correctly noted in bullet format,
much of what happens inside a vac event
of course there are good things too,
like saying hello and telling tall tales, or sharing a brew...

the owners of sobs
often view the owners of airstreams
as sobs
and they are correct sometimes...
could they be thinking of you?

having owned a 70s airstream in the 70s
i have no desire to go back there
just so i can be proud of fixing something
or putting in a new cabinet pair...

i have a used airstream
its for travel
hopefully they are all used airstreams
otherwise the myth would unravel...
often i smile when meeting a vac member,
they own an old airstream
but are often newbies to airstream'n and travel
so they pridefully think they solved some issue
like how to pop rivets or polish skin
things many folks have done over the years,
again and again...
it would be so much better
if they got on the road
to anywhere...

it's still just about camping and travel
i don't have a workshop
don't want a 'fixit' hobby
i like to hook up
and go places,
meet people
and rally

as an example to follow.....
the silver falls gathering was a wonderfull event
there were trailers from all decades
but connecting as people
was the main intent
not comparing vin #s, floorplans or dents...
sure there was some airsteam squak
but mostly just happy talk
old friendships polished
and new one riveted
now that's airstream camping folks!


cheers all
2air'

who is looking forward to the vac rally,
but still searching for a 'post theme'...
so thanks for the material...
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Old 07-22-2006, 12:39 AM   #22
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2air said with such Vitriol... but at the same time.....

In some ways.... Your under lying sarcasm reminds me of the Saturday Night Live skit... with the late great Phil Hartman playing Frank Sinatra and in the skit he bites back with: “You don't scare me. I got chunks of guys like you in my stool!" I don’t need your stinking VAC
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hi azstreamin.....

vac, vitriol or vitalis......
it's all greasy sometime,
and other times just slick

read here,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitriol
especially under the 'historical significance'
and i'd agree my comments are herein acidic
but i do have a doctorate in,
live from neeeeeeeew york it's saturday nite!!!
it was a correspondence course,
i think...
i'm still not ready for prime time...
my grades were only average...

"don't provoke me old man"
says sting as billy idol...
http://snltranscripts.jt.org/90/90ksinatra.phtml


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I'm always learning here and love the passion that this group exudes.
First, Fred Coldwell's response was solid. I'm a fence sitter but that little speech has power to convince I appreciate the insight.

Second, Why would the VAC allow Airstreams less than 25 years old? Isn’t 25 years old the vintage qualification for most vehicles or collectables? That one seems odd to me. So my '05 would qualify for associate membership? ..Hmm.. If I still have it by the time it graduates to full membership, my 3 year old will have finished with her PhD.

After reading a lot about this WBCCI this week. I'm convinced it's like anything else in life…. What you put in, is what you get out.
If you want to help and teach the community how to rebuild their vintage Airstreams go for it… I want one too, just don't have the room and time right now, I would however show up for classes… If you want to fix the political problems... Go For It that is honorable job….. If you just want to camp and hang with friends… go for it…and send me directions.
Hi,

I'm on both all these threads MAL-Content, SUB VAC, as they overlap for the obvious reasons. My husband and I came in to the WBCCI as a MAL belonging to VAC. The people we met were like us, they wanted to have fun, camp, and talk about the trailers. We had a beast of a 31 foot at the time and entry to the VAC club helped us trememdously with repairs. It was n't until later that we were encouraged to join local Unit.

The VAC club is everything Fred says it is. People who put people and repair, and helping others repair, their trailers first and rules second. This brings together like minds.

I still think Units with less rules is an answer to the overall problems of the "Mother Ship " club. We just don't have the creative alternatives as of yet. I agree with the people who are trying to change things from within that is my usual MO but when the club has instructed the delegate to vote "NO", and he changes the vote to "YES" even though the members gave no authroity to do so. What power within do you really have?

I believe the more alternatives types of units, VAC, Forum Unit, Cyber Unit, is the answer and will give people like myself an oportunity to "test" or in my case create the relaxed club that meets our needs. VAC certainly did that for me, but we need an alternative for those with newer model trailers to have the same experience. I'm interested in getting information on those MAL's and where everyone resides if your willing to share infor.

Sorry to mix the threads but I'm finding valuable information to create one of these alternative Units in all other these threads.
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Zep---Don't you think you might be a bit pretentious with that claim. I wouldn't for a moment think you would be anything but proud of a "Spiffy Vintage Airstream", especially if one had hours of labor invested,but to insinuate those who own new coaches are not proud of them is simply not true.-----pieman
Hi Mike:

I read Zep's statement as more factual than pretentious. He did not insinuate owners of new Airstreams are not proud of them, only that there is a difference in the type of pride that comes from reviving an older trailer that needs help from the pride attendant to purchasing a new trailer. Zep said:

"There's a distinct difference in the pride one feels in showing up with a spiffy Vintage Airstream with a new modification versus what one would feel showing up with the newest Coach off the dealer's lot. Different, way different. It's a pride in saving something worthy, in one's own skills, in the dedication of time and effort, in thinking that some retro things are waaay cooler than new stuff."

I don't see any claim that owners of new, off the dealer's lot Airstreams don't have pride in their trailer, only that its a different kind of pride. And as reported by owners of some brand new Airstreams, they sometimes get to tinker and fix things too. If you are not traveling on August 12th, you should drive over for the Open House on Sunday afternoon.

Now having clarified that, owners of both old and new Airstreams are equally subject to the Wrath of the Rastafarian Rabbit who disapproves of human pride and dutifully notes human flaws in those who gather to celebrate trailerhood, especially the druids of the vintage clan. His Vitalic observations may be rooted in the questions he personally faces about his own trailer identity, reflected in the minimal profile, having a new trailer as father but a vintage attitude as mother. In describing this conflict, the Rasta Rabbit was heard to say:

"I don't have prejudice against myself. My father was a shiny new Airstream and my mother was a laidback unregimented easiness. Them call me half-VAC or whatever. Me don't dip on nobody's side. Me don't dip on the new owner's side nor the vintage owner's side. Me dip on Wally's side, the one who create me and cause me to come from both new and vintage."

As the Rabbit continues on to Creede in his personal journey to come to terms with his conflicted trailer identity, will he find happiness or disappointment? .... sinful shiny pride and prejudice .... or just camping and chatting? .... young demographic folks who cannot afford new shiny Airstreams ... or enthusiastic lovers of things old and worn? Will he suffer an uncomfortable flashback to the 70's he left behind decades ago? How much technical chatter will the Rabbit endure among the constant talk of old trailer renewal ideas, VINs, floorplans, decorations, polishing, inanimate mascots and other things of little concern to modern Rasta Rabbits? He'll need mighty big plugs for those long ears ...

Is there a Bugs Marely Just Camping club for sobs that might satisfy the Rabbit's craving for sinless companionship and open road trailerhood? Can't this be found at any camp ground or rv park in the country that makes no fuss whatsoever over big red numbers or picky membership reqirements, where people gather just to camp and chat with no prearrangements? Surely all those people like to shares stories and a brew or two ... so what attracts the Rabbit to formalized shiney old aluminum trailer gatherings that have structure, a gate and a distinct purpose .... does he see his own reflection there?

Will the Rabbit bring anything to the table .... or just nibble on the garden lettuce then hop away? Interesting questions all.
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I realize this has strayed somewhat from the original subject of why the VAC is in the WBCCI; however, maybe it does have a slight connection.
What I noticed in attending VAC rallies and a regular WBCCI rally is the passion of the VAC member for anything Airstream. The most popular event of the VAC rally is the always the open house. My first rally was attended by shiny new Airstreams to rickety old Airstreams. One trailer and tow vehicle squeaked so loud when entering the camping area we all had to stop talking. regardless, they were all loved with a passion and each one was thoroughly inspected by everyone in attendance. Often you find more people underneath the trailers than inside. This rally piggybacked on the WBCCI as a region 7 rally using the newsletters and local chapters for publicity.
For those of us who do not enjoy some of the formalities of the WBCCI rally a VAC rally is the perfect alternative.
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OK, I'm back, just catching up, here. Had to stop and LOL LOL LOL over post #9! 2Air, you are a gem.

Yes, I did go read the entire thread that Shari noted, including all of Fred's good comments.

now back to more reading...
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I just read Fred's post #25... I'll read the rest of this thread after I clean the coffee off my monitor.
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