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Old 04-06-2011, 04:09 PM   #1
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Should the VAC leave the WBCCI??

OK, it's been knocked around for years, discussions in smoke filled vintage Airstreams over glasses of whiskey with the shades pulled down so no one knows who or what is pulling the strings and leading the cause of the VAC leaving the WBCCI. Some say we need them, others say their killing us, many have said "I'd join the VAC if it were not for the WBCCI".

So the question is now the time to fish or cut bait?

How many would leave the VAC if it left the WBCCI and why?

How many want the VAC to leave the WBCCI and why?

How many would join the VAC if it were not part of the WBCCI and why?


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Old 04-06-2011, 04:13 PM   #2
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I would probably join. I was in the WBCCI, but withheld my dues waiting to see what happened at the mid winter meeting- turned out to be a good call. The VAC is appealing to me for sure.
Having said that, given what I learned from watching the WBCCI, I would want to know about the price structure, where the money goes, and how governance works.
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Perhaps the question should be: Would you join a Vintage Airstream Club not connected to the WBCCI?

I believe that there are too few VAC members on this forum to get an accurate feel on how the membership feels.

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So the question is now the time to fish or cut bait?

How many would leave the VAC if it left the WBCCI and why?

How many want the VAC to leave the WBCCI and why?

How many would join the VAC if it were not part of the WBCCI and why?


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I would not leave the VAC if it left the WBCCI.

I am ambivalent about the VAC leaving the WBCCI because there are strong pro and con arguments.

If the VAC left the WBCCI I would have one less reason to remain in the WBCCI, and those reasons are getting fewer all the time.
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Old 04-06-2011, 04:34 PM   #5
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The only reason I ever considered joining the WBCCI (which I haven't) is so I could be in the VAC. I would join the VAC immediately if it were not a part of the WBCCI.
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Old 04-06-2011, 05:19 PM   #6
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The only reason I ever considered joining the WBCCI (which I haven't) is so I could be in the VAC. I would join the VAC immediately if it were not a part of the WBCCI.
Big nod there. Except for "the haven't part", I did and then I did not...
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Old 04-06-2011, 05:30 PM   #7
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If the VAC leaves, the WBCCI should hire the VAC, for its promotion and entertainment value at the International Rally. It has always been the most fun and the best entertainment of the rallies, and the reason why many Airstreamers, guests and members of the media attend.
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Well, I may not be the strongest WBCCI proponent but on this topic I'd like to just put the rumor to rest straight away if I can. Speaking as an officer - the VAC is not looking to break away from WBCCI. It is not in our grand plans and hasn't been a topic of discussion among the officers. In fact, quite the converse, we are discussing the improvements we can make towards better servicing the members we do have. We are working to determine what we are doing right for them and what we need to do more of to improve.

As a past membership chairman, I have heard my share of people say that the WBCCI is the reason they are leaving the VAC. But as I mentioned in a previous post, the VAC has become lethargic on many levels within the club and that is not necessarily a reflection on WBCCI. When the VAC stops having regional activities, the newsletter is slow in coming out and our outreach becomes practically non-existent, it just looks like nothing is happening in the club then of course we lose members. As one of the officers, I can say that we are not putting the blame on WBCCI, but squarely on ourselves first and foremost.

Years ago rumors of the VAC splitting off from WBCCI caused a ruckus that put ill feelings on many people. I'd rather not see that happen again because nobody won. I would rather see a discussion about how the VAC could better itself and become an active club again. That way the VAC members win.
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perhaps, the officers might want to discuss all their options. You never know.
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Really, what for? The WBCCI ain't doing well, but it hasn't collapsed like a house of cards yet. To me (and I say this as one who is not a fan of the way WBCCI leadership conducts business) it is kind of irresponsible and presumptive to lead people to believe that the VAC is even thinking about this. It is not, plain and simple.
I know a few people - maybe even a dozen or 2, will say that they would join the VAC if it left the WBCCI - we'll miss having them as members then because that is just not in the cards.
Any one of these folks can become a subscriber to the newsletter right now if they want which would be a show of support for the VAC. Are they doing that? I don't think so... I don't see that happening in droves. Not online anyway.
I understand the point of the question and it has been mentioned before, but in this case, I don't see this as realistic. Don't get your hopes up for the VAC to break away.
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Please forgive my ignorance but what is VAC?


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Tim, as a none WB member, what does the Vintage Advantage offer me? Before you answer defensively, hear me out. When I open it up, it is geared toward WB events. All is list by member numbers and member activities. Even though it portrays the good side of the club and shows the part of the WB I would be interested in, it is still about being a WB member(as it should). I just do not need to read about the WB in vintage form. The restoration tips and restoration articles do not dilute the WB theme for me. Also, by giving the VAC my subscription I am giving it to the Mother club too.
What my point is , and others now posting, is that many of us joined the WB only because we wanted to be VAC members. Not the other way around. Many of us joined, got disillusioned with the mother club and as a result cannot be a part of the VAC. The desire for vintage is strong. That desire is what gets you the members, not the newsletter or the mother club.
I am not trying to give you a hard road. Actually the very opposite. I admire your honesty and dedication to everything you do. I just suggest at the next meeting of officers you discuss this. Perhaps after that discussion you all go out and survey people at happy hour without them knowing your are. I think you might be very surprised at what you hear.
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I would be interested in the VAC but not the WBCCI. I must say I'm rather new to all of this but TAC seems much friendlier and less formal (fun) than both. They both sound like an agency that does'nt want to lose power and does'nt care what anyone thinks, just send your money, and follow.
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