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Old 04-09-2011, 09:27 AM   #57
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And so it goes, on and on and on and on...................
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Old 04-09-2011, 12:59 PM   #58
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Just curious, how many WBCCI members who own vintage have signed on with VAC.? Most? some? zz
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I apaolgize to you Leo, I got my posts mixed. It was Frank that commented on the fact that the VACPres, 1st and 2nd Vac Veeps aern't commenting since Tim is the "voice."
But you are right, Herb Spies, VAC pres after Shari and before Scot, has ended their participation in all things WBCCi, and Scot S has left, too. So, there is a pattern that follows the VAC board after being an officer. Chewed up and spit-out by the all things WBCCi politico and they leave.
Chris is looking forward to his 2013 VAC presidential duties except standing in front of the IBT giving the VAC report..
We will be enjoying more things Tin Can Tourist with Forrest and Patrice.
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Old 04-10-2011, 05:25 AM   #60
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But you are right, Herb Spies, VAC pres after Shari and before Scot, has ended their participation in all things WBCCi, and Scot S has left, too. So, there is a pattern that follows the VAC board after being an officer.
I was wondering how many VAC past presidents have left the WBCCI. Several come to mind although I would need to go through a directory to see if it is inactive or quit.
I had noticed I had not seen Herb Spies at Sarasota for the last couple years but since Sidra is writing a Blue Beret column they must still be in the WBCCI.
The only time I would see Scott was at the international and we have quit going due to the full hook up situation
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Old 04-10-2011, 08:28 AM   #61
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Wow! Herb and Scott gone too? Scott is third generation Airstreamer! And Herb, that's huge. I am sorry to hear that. I have met them both and saw their keen interest in Airstreaming and vintage. As a (then) newbie they were an inspiration coming into the club.
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But you are right, Herb Spies, VAC pres after Shari and before Scot, has ended their participation in all things WBCCi, and Scot S has left, too.
I just looked in the 2011 directory and indeed see that the Scheuermanns are missing, but the Spies are still in there. So it's possible that Herb has ended his participation in WBCCI, but he was still a member as of the 2011 directory.

I am very sorry to see Scott go. He was instrumental in our joining WBCCI and VAC years ago when he was Region 4 VAC representative. At the same time, I'm not surprised. He was asked to step in unexpectedly as VAC president and then got endless grief over it. No good deed goes unpunished.
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He was asked to step in unexpectedly as VAC president and then got endless grief over it. No good deed goes unpunished.
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Not true John, He was recruited as normal and knew and approved the changes that moved him into his presidency.
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But you are right, Herb Spies, VAC pres after Shari and before Scot, has ended their participation in all things WBCCi, So, there is a pattern that follows the VAC board after being an officer. Chewed up and spit-out by the all things WBCCi politico and they leave.
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I just looked in the 2011 directory and indeed see that the Scheuermanns are missing, but the Spies are still in there. So it's possible that Herb has ended his participation in WBCCI, but he was still a member as of the 2011 directory.
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Wow! Herb and Scott gone too? And Herb, that's huge. I am sorry to hear that. I have met them both and saw their keen interest in Airstreaming and vintage.
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I had noticed I had not seen Herb Spies at Sarasota for the last couple years but since Sidra is writing a Blue Beret column they must still be in the WBCCI.
I just went back and forth with Herb via email, he's "a full card carrying member" as he put it, getting ready for a rally next weekend and proud new grand parents.
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Not true John, He was recruited as normal and knew and approved the changes that moved him into his presidency.
Ed, we were both at the VAC annual meeting at Bozeman when it happened. As I recall he was then 2nd VP, and was catapulted into the president position, skipping the 1st VP office, because the nominating committee was concerned that the then-1st VP, who normally would have moved up to president, had never been to an International and wouldn't have the experience he needed to handle VAC activities at the next International.

Yes, Scott "approved the changes that moved him into his presidency", but they came as a surprise to him at the time.

And no, it was not a vast conspiracy against the then-1st VP as some have alleged later, it was serious concern about the need for International experience to do the job. And no, the normal chain of succession is not mandated in the VAC constitution or bylaws, the decision on candidates is up to the nominating committee, so everything was perfectly above board.

My point being that I always thought Scott got a lot of grief for things that were not at all his fault and I can't say as I blame him for leaving.
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What happened to the past prez

Here is a list of most of the VAC past presidents, not in exact order. There are a couple more but I couldn't remember the names
Feel free to correct or add information as all this is strictly from memory.
I was surprised some of these are still members as they do not seem to be active.
These are WBCCI memberships, not VAC

Bud Cooper, founder deceased
Bob Brubaker, Deceased not 100% sure on this one except for the deceased part
Dick Mumma, member
Forrest Bone, non-member Revived Tin Can tourists
Clyde Wagner, non-member
Tom Reed , member
Nolan Vogt, deceased
Don Perry , member
Rick Davis , I’m still here
Tom Howarth, member started WDCU
Bob Herman, member
Wayne Moore, non-member
Ed Emerick, member
Shari Davis, member
Herb Spies, member
Scott Scheuermann, non-member
Dallas Peak, member
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No. The VAC should stay in WBCCI. I am not a member of the VAC. I might be sometime. If it is a part of WBCCI. Love to see the old units at the rallies.
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Thanks Leo, I will tell him to fax it.
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To the original question . . .

If the VAC were to split off from WBCCI, I would:
  1. Remain in the WBCCI because even though I am only in my 40's, I have been to many fun WBCCI events that had nothing to do with the VAC.
  2. Resign as VAC Historian because to me Airstream and WBCCI history are intertwined and my desire to volunteer my time to the organization just would NOT be there.
  3. Maybe stay in the VAC. It would depend upon the direction that the VAC would take. Given how few VAC events there currently are and how far away they are from where I live, and given that most of the current contributors to the VAC Vintage Advantage newsletter might not go along with the split, there might be little to entice me to follow the VAC into an independent organization.
Those are my thoughts anyway.
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And no, it was not a vast conspiracy against the then-1st VP as some have alleged later, it was serious concern about the need for International experience to do the job.
It's misplaced "concern" like this that is destroying the club. Anyone who actually knows Rob Baker knows that he could have done the job as VAC President with one hand tied behind his back... it is not rocket science, and for those of you who don't know, Rob IS a rocket scientist.

Sorry to get a little off topic, but in reality, it appears that one's ability to please the IBT is the prime requirement for running the VAC. This does not make for a well run club and as we have seen... it drives members away.

So that being said, a separation from being under the thumb of the IBT may be just what the VAC needs.
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