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Old 12-15-2014, 02:53 PM   #29
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Thanks all, looks like we are going to get it. Looking forwards to see you all on the road.
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Old 12-15-2014, 05:16 PM   #30
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Comparing EB to Safari/Flying Cloud 25 FB

Every year the models all change slightly, but even so I rather think that I might be one of the few people who have owned a 2006 Safari (now Flying Cloud) 25 FB and a 2012 Eddie Bauer 25 FB.

As such I'd like to put in my two cents about what the differences are and how they might affect anyone looking at the 25 FB's.

First, understand that the Eddie Bauer is much closer kin to the Internationals than to the lower price Flying Cloud line. The "international" changes are:
  • porcelain toilet - better than plastic, but at 5'6" I'd prefer normal height instead of the tall toilet.
  • overhead cabinets have sliding doors - Ian Poulin pointed out that the Safari cabinets would be head boinkers for the tall, I just like the sliders better - they are slightly more spacious and are lighted internally - EB "leaf" patterned sliders are super pretty - like them better than the Serenity or Signature style
  • big "lobster bowl" sink instead of two smaller ones in the 2006 model... now they all have lobster bowl sinks. a few people don't like the lobster bowl, because they're used to a wash sink and a rinse sink, but I wash everything in a couple of inches of water, drain it, and spray rinse OR teakettle rinse with boiling water for fast drying. Dishes can air dry on a towel on the counter or be wiped and put away.
The Eddie Bauer has the hatch but you lose all of the concealed under the seat storage. Two words - pretty baskets help but there's still less storage space. The kitchen storage is also notably smaller (Irritating. I store my nesting pots in a footstool/ottoman). The mattress is considerably better than the one that came with the Safari... I traded that one out in about 5 months, I'm over a year with the new one, but it's day is coming too. Between the hatch and the rear door there are a lot of little breezes in the EB that are getting me down this winter. I'm finding and fixing them one at a time. Watching a candle flame flutter showed me the bottom of the door leaked, and the hatch.... don't think it has any insulation.

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Old 12-15-2014, 10:16 PM   #31
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First, understand that the Eddie Bauer is much closer kin to the Internationals than to the lower price Flying Cloud line.

Well said, and to be frank the price reflects the same. I often peruse the International forums in addition to the EB forums to cover all relevant topics for our EB.

The thing I like least of all is the lack of under seat storage since we rarely need to take advantage of the fold up feature. Like you, we've gone with baskets under ours. The main thing that drove us to the EB was being able to bring the outdoors in with the hatch.
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Old 12-15-2014, 10:40 PM   #32
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We too are careful about we store in our EB. But we do use the hatch when bringing our two kayaks and bikes camping with us. A lot of versatility.
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Old 12-15-2014, 11:30 PM   #33
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We "hatch" EVERY outing and would NOT go back!
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Old 12-16-2014, 12:50 AM   #34
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Every year the models all change slightly, but even so I rather think that I might be one of the few people who have owned a 2006 Safari (now Flying Cloud) 25 FB and a 2012 Eddie Bauer 25 FB.



As such I'd like to put in my two cents about what the differences are and how they might affect anyone looking at the 25 FB's.



First, understand that the Eddie Bauer is much closer kin to the Internationals than to the lower price Flying Cloud line. The "international" changes are:
  • porcelain toilet - better than plastic, but at 5'6" I'd prefer normal height instead of the tall toilet.
  • overhead cabinets have sliding doors - Ian Poulin pointed out that the Safari cabinets would be head boinkers for the tall, I just like the sliders better - they are slightly more spacious and are lighted internally - EB "leaf" patterned sliders are super pretty - like them better than the Serenity or Signature style
  • big "lobster bowl" sink instead of two smaller ones in the 2006 model... now they all have lobster bowl sinks. a few people don't like the lobster bowl, because they're used to a wash sink and a rinse sink, but I wash everything in a couple of inches of water, drain it, and spray rinse OR teakettle rinse with boiling water for fast drying. Dishes can air dry on a towel on the counter or be wiped and put away.

The Eddie Bauer has the hatch but you lose all of the concealed under the seat storage. Two words - pretty baskets help but there's still less storage space. The kitchen storage is also notably smaller (Irritating. I store my nesting pots in a footstool/ottoman). The mattress is considerably better than the one that came with the Safari... I traded that one out in about 5 months, I'm over a year with the new one, but it's day is coming too. Between the hatch and the rear door there are a lot of little breezes in the EB that are getting me down this winter. I'm finding and fixing them one at a time. Watching a candle flame flutter showed me the bottom of the door leaked, and the hatch.... don't think it has any insulation.



Paula
I don't have your length and broad experience of 25ft AS , but totally agree with your post.

On the storage issue, My big find were two heavy duty Black Contico pro tuff storage containers, that fit fairly well under the dining seats. (Walmart, Home Depot and Amazon were stocking them during the spring and summer months but don't seem to be at this time, at least not online). They function as multi purpose additions to my EB. Storage in the trailer and then can go outside and also be used as seating, table, drink holder, or for a foot rest.😊
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Old 08-02-2015, 09:43 AM   #35
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We spilled hot choc and tea all over the place when we got our first EB - just by getting "in" the seating areas. However, since we made the mod (x2) with fold down legs at the rear we rarely have any issues with spillage. Suggest to also go with larger base glasses and cups - that helps, too.

Hockey pucks seem to add the correct amount to the table leg length and they are kept centered on the leg with a spent cartridge case attached to the center of the puck.
Dear MEfly2 I finally had it with my wobbler - and am buying exactly the same legs that you did. Thanks for the idea! One change for me. Instead of extending the two "helper" legs, I am cutting the original ones down to the height of the helpers. The top end of the legs is just a raw cut, and I'm not tall, so why not?

Airstream has always had 30.5 inch height on it's tables. Grab a ruler and measure tables, desks, and workstations around your home or office. 29 inches for most tables, and 26-28 inches for most computer work stations. Put a sewing machine or a computer on top of a 30.5 inch table and it's truly uncomfortable. In a small space any table has to be multi-purpose: it should also be stable and as comfortable as possible too.

Eventually if I get really frustrated the table itself may GO. It's heavy an too big, and the aluminum trim which looks so nice is sharp and OUCH'es my hands putting it up and down.

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Old 08-02-2015, 11:07 PM   #36
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Understood; I think the only reason that they are that height is to make egress out the back hatch just a bit easier.
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Old 08-03-2015, 01:56 AM   #37
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On another thread someone wrote about patching the EB floor - used some kind of black caulk - liquid nails maybe? I think just the rubber sleeve on the leg, the 3 point tightening, and the filler piece for the floor - these are better legs - but note that the leg height is 25 inches.... Check Amazon, I'm sure I've seen these in different heights.

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Old 08-03-2015, 07:22 AM   #38
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What happened to all the photos in this thread?
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Old 08-03-2015, 11:16 PM   #39
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I'm still seeing photos ... there are more in another EB forum thread.
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We just had our first outing in our 25' EB. I feel like we paid $88K for a trailer that should not have a wobbly table. I about drove our kids nuts reminding them to not lean on the table edge. I myself almost dumped a glass of juice just adjusting myself in the seat and bumping the table. Don't get me wrong we LOVED the trailer, just the table was a pain.

It seems the problem is not the floor receptacles, rather it is the mounts on the base of the table that are the problem. I determined how to get the legs in tight so that they have no play. The PVC receivers however allow for no tightening whatsoever.

Next call - Airstream.

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Old 08-04-2015, 12:42 PM   #41
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It looks like Airstream changed to a different type of legs on the 2016's. Anyone with a 2016 care to comment if they are more stable?

Picture from a 2016 on Colonial Airstream's site:
http://www.colonialairstream.com/201.../images/11.jpg

They seem to be Springfield Thread-Lock:
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It looks like Airstream changed to a different type of legs on the 2016's. Anyone with a 2016 care to comment if they are more stable?

Picture from a 2016 on Colonial Airstream's site:
http://www.colonialairstream.com/201.../images/11.jpg

They seem to be Springfield Thread-Lock:
Anodized Base
GOOD EYES! Thank you for noticing this - I was planning to go to my local RV store and buy helper legs for my wobblers. This almost certainly has to be much more stable - just screwing in... and the leg itself has rubber gaskets at both ends so it should snug up and dampen any movement at either end. I'll PM Mr. Botticelli and ask how it looks to him before I buy. These bases are surely big enough to cover the holes left by removing the less effective ones.

If I do go with the Springfield Thread-Lock, who wants the old brackets and legs - cheap!

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