Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 02-28-2014, 12:47 PM   #43
1 Rivet Member
 
Sun Rambler's Avatar
 
2015 27' FB Eddie Bauer
Silver City , New Mexico
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 14
After what I have learned about the potential for damage from salted roads, you can bet I would look at the date of manufacture and never buy one manufactured in winter. I also would not buy one that sat on a dealers lot through a hurricane. There are plenty of threads on this forum (after all, that is where I learned about it) about the effect that salt can have on all vehicles and Airstreams in particular. It is best to just avoid it if possible and that is what I am trying to do. I am a native of the SW US and usually don't have to deal with this issue. I'm learning a lot about it now. I think that is the value of these and other forums where people can share their knowledge, experience and mistakes. It is always better to learn from others' mistakes than have to make them all yourself. I'm sorry that you feel so threatened by this sharing of knowledge.
__________________

__________________
Sun Rambler is offline  
Old 02-28-2014, 01:30 PM   #44
1 Rivet Member
 
Sun Rambler's Avatar
 
2015 27' FB Eddie Bauer
Silver City , New Mexico
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 14
The above post #43 was in response to Post #29 but posted here by my mistake. I have read many forums but this is the first I have ever posted on so I am learning. Boy, am I learning! About so many things!
__________________

__________________
Sun Rambler is offline  
Old 03-03-2014, 11:13 AM   #45
1 Rivet Member
 
Sun Rambler's Avatar
 
2015 27' FB Eddie Bauer
Silver City , New Mexico
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 14
Well folks, I promised to give an update here when I knew something. My last email from my sales rep said that he had spoken to Airstream and they were aware of my concerns and he had put a hold on the shipping of my trailer until he gave them an order to ship it. I sent several emails asking for the status of my trailer ( I didn't even know if it had been finished) and what my salesman was working on as a solution. I didn't hear from him, which made me very uneasy and then Thursday evening I got an email that notified me that Airstream had already shipped my trailer. That they didn't wait for word from him and were "being proactive" and shipped my trailer to a dealer in Columbus, Ohio. The spin was that I should be "so happy" and now I can start my life with my new home. I was of course, extremely upset. I felt I was lied to and manipulated throughout this whole ordeal and expressed my dissatisfaction to the salesman. He emailed me back and said he was sorry I felt that way but understood why I would not want to complete the deal and said of course he would refund my entire deposit in full. Well it didn't end there and this is getting long and I'm not sure this will even be allowed to post but the rest of the story is that the "owner" of the dealership decided that he would allow us to complete the deal only if we wired the money in advance to his bank account and sign all of the paperwork transferring ownership and overnight it to them and then and only then would we be able to see and pick up our trailer. No pre-purchase inspection, no dealer orientation, no common courtesy. I was, per his orders, to hook up my trailer and leave the dealers lot immediately! Since we couldn't accept those terms, he said that we forfeited all claims to the trailer and our deposit! So now it is going to end up in court. All of the communication was through emails and so I do have documentation of all that transpired. It is a shame that it came to this and all I was doing from the start was trying to protect my investment. We are heartbroken that things turned out as they did. We not only don't have a trailer, we are out four months of preparation and waiting, almost three thousand dollars for the hitch and five thousand dollars for the deposit. This has caused us incredible anguish and lots of sleepless nights. I appreciate all of you that commented and hope that by sharing my experience here, someone may one day benefit from my experience and not have to go through something like this yourselves.
__________________
Sun Rambler is offline  
Old 03-03-2014, 11:36 AM   #46
Rivet Master
 
TinTin's Avatar
 
2009 23' FB Flying Cloud
Canmore , Alberta
Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 1,762
Images: 6
Sorry this has happened, SR. Hopefully an amicable settlement will be reached without the need to go to court.
__________________
Bob and Nancy
http://www.rwcphoto.smugmug.com
Cheer Up, Slow Down, Chill Out!
TinTin is offline  
Old 03-03-2014, 12:40 PM   #47
Rivet Master
 
Currently Looking...
Nowhere , Somewhere
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 6,421
Blog Entries: 2
Maybe the salt would have been a better choice? Jim
__________________
avionstream is offline  
Old 03-03-2014, 12:45 PM   #48
Rivet Master
 
Currently Looking...
Nowhere , Somewhere
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 6,421
Blog Entries: 2
The trailer is at a dealership dif than the one you purchased it from? Of course the seller wants his money, you are the one who changed the deal process. He no longer has any responsibility for the AS once it was shipped to another dealer. He deserves his money. Your gripe is with AS factory. In my opinion. Jim
__________________
avionstream is offline  
Old 03-03-2014, 01:19 PM   #49
Rivet Master
 
J. Morgan's Avatar

 
1972 31' Sovereign
1975 31' Excella 500
Currently Looking...
Benton , Arkansas
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 5,039
Images: 11
Dramatic.
__________________
The fact that I am opinionated does not presuppose that I am wrong......

J. Morgan is offline  
Old 03-03-2014, 04:17 PM   #50
Restorations done right
Commercial Member
 
Frank's Trailer Works's Avatar
 
1962 26' Overlander
1961 26' Overlander
Vintage Kin Owner
Currently Looking...
Baltimore , Maryland
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 5,547
Images: 2
This entire thing is a confusing mess to me. I strongly suspect the buyer is going to spend a ton of money on a lawyer to not get her money back.
I wonder if there is as much concern over the alkali dust a toy hauler is going to encounter in the SW.
If salt were as detrimental as thought, there would be no tanker trucks, grain trucks, or dump trucks on the road during the Winter months. I was thinking about this thread the other day as I watched the dump trucks being loaded with road salt at the Port of Baltimore. There were 40 or so waiting in que for the loaders. Just under half had aluminum beds. If you think an Airstreamer cares about their aluminum, talk to a trucker some time.
Frank's Trailer Works is offline  
Old 03-03-2014, 05:19 PM   #51
Rivet Master
 
Condoluminum's Avatar
 
1988 25' Excella
Sunnyvale , California
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 1,858
Images: 13
Send a message via AIM to Condoluminum
Another vote in agreement that you were "fortunate" to be able to cancel the transaction and get deposit back, and won't likely recover anything after spending legal fees.. You had a contract for a trailer and an obligation to pay for it upon delivery. Salt was not an element of the contract.. You sought to make changes, but the factory sells trailers to dealers, and when a trailer is completed, it needs to go out the back door and to the purchasing dealer.. Airstream gets is money that day from the dealer.. NO dealer is going to store an unpaid trailer for daily fees, if it could be sold to someone else instead... You might have used the option to hire a special flatbed/slantbed carrier at ~$1.75/mile to deliver the trailer to you, or a designated storage facility. Under most state laws, for a selling dealer to consider the sale complete, you must directly (or through an agent) take delivery and possession of the trailer...

And finally, the factory reps have consistently indicated that filiform corrosion is a product of humidity in the air over time, triggered by dissimilar metals and a microscopic breach in the coating of the aluminum.. Where the trailer lives is much more of a factor than how it got there...
__________________
Condoluminum

In Theory, there's no difference between Theory and Practice, but in Practice, there is usually a difference...
Condoluminum is offline  
Old 03-03-2014, 05:32 PM   #52
Overland Adventurer
 
AtomicNo13's Avatar
 
1991 34' Excella
2009 34' Panamerica
Telluride , Colorado
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 1,885
I guess I missed out on where your unit WAS to be delivered.... and who changed that destination to a Columbus dealer.
All seems goofy.

I think a salt bath on day one is a bad thing. I don't care about the external appearance rather the effects on ferrous and dissimilar metals. The aluminum is predisposed to ugliness over time who cares. Its the rust and corossion of the rivets that concerns me.
__________________
AtomicNo13 is offline  
Old 03-03-2014, 05:39 PM   #53
Rivet Master
 
J. Morgan's Avatar

 
1972 31' Sovereign
1975 31' Excella 500
Currently Looking...
Benton , Arkansas
Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 5,039
Images: 11
Things are temporary and to be enjoyed. My forty year old Airstream still has the road salt on it accumulated over my three week and one day trip that ended last Wednesday afternoon.

When we worry too much about the things we buy to enjoy, we surrender the enjoyment that we were seeking.

The fact is that the road salt that would have accumulated on the trip to the dealership probably would have had an effect, the effect would have been negligible over the life of the trailer.

The Internet is a great tool, but it is also a place where things are blown totally out of proportion to their real effect.
__________________
The fact that I am opinionated does not presuppose that I am wrong......

J. Morgan is offline  
Old 03-03-2014, 05:42 PM   #54
Rivet Master
 
dkottum's Avatar
 
2012 25' Flying Cloud
Battle Lake , Minnesota
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 7,716
Quote:
Originally Posted by Condoluminum View Post
And finally, the factory reps have consistently indicated that filiform corrosion is a product of humidity in the air over time, triggered by dissimilar metals and a microscopic breach in the coating of the aluminum.. Where the trailer lives is much more of a factor than how it got there...
Then the factory reps are wrong. A trailer (approx 1999 models and on) that sits at the beach unprotected by corrosion preventive products will develop extensive corrosion on cut edges, rivet holes and near exterior fittings while one 25 miles inland will develop much less if any (if it is not exposed to the nearby salt environment).

Those that travel on salted winter roads in the north will also experience corrosion. We do live in the "rust belt" but never use these roads in winter and we have no traces of corrosion. Our 2007 Airstream was delivered in winter, then sat on the dealers lot next to a heavily salted commuter route for two years. It had extensive corrosion when we bought it (for what we thought was a good price). I wouldn't buy one like that again.
__________________
Doug and Cheryl
2012 FC RB, Michelin 16, ProPride 1400
2016 Ram 1500 Laramie Crew Cab 4X4 Ecodiesel 3.92 axles

The Truth is More Important Than the Facts
dkottum is offline  
Old 03-03-2014, 05:46 PM   #55
Rivet Master
 
TinTin's Avatar
 
2009 23' FB Flying Cloud
Canmore , Alberta
Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 1,762
Images: 6
Quote:
Originally Posted by Condoluminum View Post
Another vote in agreement that you were "fortunate" to be able to cancel the transaction and get deposit back,
Perhaps you should read SR's last post again. The dealer demanded a ridiculous closing protocol (money in advance of final inspection, no dealer orientation). When the buyer did not agree with this, the dealer forfeited the deposit. Thus the need for legal action.
__________________
Bob and Nancy
http://www.rwcphoto.smugmug.com
Cheer Up, Slow Down, Chill Out!
TinTin is offline  
Old 03-03-2014, 05:50 PM   #56
Overland Adventurer
 
AtomicNo13's Avatar
 
1991 34' Excella
2009 34' Panamerica
Telluride , Colorado
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 1,885
I agree. If a Capitol purchase is not up to my standards I'd want to have the ability to refuse.... not take it and get lost. This is a strong arm tactic. I saw this myself and was vocal to the point others considered spending money elsewhere.
__________________

__________________
AtomicNo13 is offline  
Closed Thread


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Virginia Campgrounds

Reviews provided by




Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 08:25 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

Airstream is a registered trademark of Airstream Inc. All rights reserved. Airstream trademark used under license to Social Knowledge LLC.