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11-22-2017, 07:33 AM
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Airstream Driver
1994 30' Excella
1992 35' Airstream 350
Austin
, Texas
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 5,224
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Monthly rates-the fine print
I just completed an out-of-town job staying in an RV Park on a monthly rate.
Prior to signing the rental agreement, I inquired about what would happen if I complete my job early in the second month and leave. I was told that my monthly rate would still apply, since it is the best rate anyway.
I had to pay a 250.- deposit and prepaid Month #1, then after that first month, I prepaid month #2.
On the 16th of the second month, I completed my job and notified the campground that I was leaving. I was told that I had to forfeit my 250.- deposit, since I violated their rental rules. (discounts for weekly/monthly rates are given on the units occupancy of site)
The problem I have is
1. that I inquired about it prior to and was told that my monthly rate would apply in the above scenario, but never was told that I would loose my deposit. (they now deny telling me anything like that)
2. To find the violation, one has to jump over several pages of the multipage contract and interpret the legal language in just a certain way to come to their conclusion.
Renter beware , read the fine print and get everything in writing.
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1994 30' Excella Front Kitchen Trailer
1990 25' Excella Travel trailer
1992 350LE Classic Touring Coach
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11-22-2017, 07:51 AM
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Rivet Master
2007 Interstate
Normal
, Illinois
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 18,051
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Bummer.
It’s too bad they didn’t tell you the truth.
Always read the fine print, as it trumps verbal reporting every time.
Maggie
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11-22-2017, 08:31 AM
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Rivet Master
2007 Interstate
Sneedville
, Tennessee
Join Date: Feb 2014
Posts: 1,753
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So, what would you have paid weekly for that time period?
The big print gives, the small print takes.
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11-22-2017, 09:54 AM
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Airstream Driver
1994 30' Excella
1992 35' Airstream 350
Austin
, Texas
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 5,224
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tincampers
So, what would you have paid weekly for that time period?
The big print gives, the small print takes.
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Good question, but according to the agreement, irrelevant, since I already prepaid a non-refundable monthly fee. They did tell me, if I would leave my Airstream (occupied or not) in the site until the end of the month, I would get my deposit back. I am just not sure which second of the last day I would have to pull it out to avoid either being too early or too late
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1994 30' Excella Front Kitchen Trailer
1990 25' Excella Travel trailer
1992 350LE Classic Touring Coach
AIR #13
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11-22-2017, 10:00 AM
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Rivet Master
2014 20' Flying Cloud
Sag Harbor
, New York
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 17,523
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Shocking they would not compromise with you IMO, with a solution somewhere in the middle dollar-wise.
Schmucks!
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11-22-2017, 10:02 AM
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Figment of My Imagination
2012 Interstate Coach
From All Over
, More Than Anywhere Else
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 10,868
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You shouldn't have to leave your Airstream there. You paid for the site in advance, whether you're occupying it or not. As long as they don't rent it out to anyone else, you should be good through the end of the month.
And if they do rent it out to someone else while you're still paying for it, they're getting paid twice for the same site, and they owe you a refund for every day that someone else occupies the site.
Of course the contract may not say that, but ethically, that's how I see it.
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11-22-2017, 10:24 AM
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Rivet Master
1979 31' Sovereign
Milford
, Ohio
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 565
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Not sure if you post reviews on www.campgroundreviews.com but it would help others if you wrote one there to warn others.
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Christopher
Its a camper, therefore it leaks.
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11-22-2017, 10:40 AM
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Rivet Master
2006 23' Safari SE
Biloxi
, Mississippi
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 8,278
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Different laws and interpretation in different states. Always read contracts from end to end. Before signing is the time to ask questions or clarify confusing legalize. Except no statements verbally always get answers to questions in writing.
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MICHAEL
Do you know what a learning experience is? A learning experience is one of those things that says "You know that thing that you just did? Don't do that."
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11-22-2017, 11:08 AM
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Half a Rivet Short
2017 30' Classic
2022 Interstate 24X
Carlisle
, Pennsylvania
Join Date: May 2017
Posts: 15,675
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Hi
Having lived a lot of different places, each state has it's own unique "approach" to this and that. On top of that, different cities in a state can have their own "customs". My favorite was the place that a one day stay past the 1 year rental automatically signed you up for another entire year. They also had some really interesting rules about what constituted you still being "in residence".
Yes, this stuff can be a lot of fun !!
Bob
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11-22-2017, 01:00 PM
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Rivet Master
2014 20' Flying Cloud
Sag Harbor
, New York
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 17,523
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AWCHIEF
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. . . always get answers to questions in writing.
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Exactly. In this day and age of cell phones etc. being so ubiquitous, it is easy to ask the campground to email or text you a statement covering the contract modification. When signing the agreement, just note an amendment existing in the email/text.
Still shocked the CG did not find a middle ground on this.
Tempting to call them out publically, but that is generally proscribed here.
Thanks for the heads up, PeterH.
Peter
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11-22-2017, 01:21 PM
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Rivet Master
2014 25' Flying Cloud
Cuddebackville
, New York
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 4,333
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Protagonist
You shouldn't have to leave your Airstream there. You paid for the site in advance, whether you're occupying it or not. As long as they don't rent it out to anyone else, you should be good through the end of the month.
And if they do rent it out to someone else while you're still paying for it, they're getting paid twice for the same site, and they owe you a refund for every day that someone else occupies the site.
Of course the contract may not say that, but ethically, that's how I see it.
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I'm with Protag on this. Why should it matter to them if your rig is there or not? You're paying for the site.
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2019 Ford Expedition Platinum
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11-22-2017, 01:43 PM
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Rivet Master
2010 25' FB Flying Cloud
Davenport
, Iowa
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 2,145
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where in Texas were you staying? i'm going to Texas and would like to know in advance.
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11-22-2017, 05:00 PM
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Airstream Driver
1994 30' Excella
1992 35' Airstream 350
Austin
, Texas
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 5,224
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wayne&Sam
I'm with Protag on this. Why should it matter to them if your rig is there or not? You're paying for the site.
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I completely agree, on top of it they can rent out the site for the remainder of the month and double dip.
The only reason I can think of is that they trying to keep people from getting a monthly rate with the intention of leaving after 2 weeks or so and saving some money. In my case however, I already was into the second month of my stay and made it clear from the beginning that I may leave early pending job completion.
They should have told me that I would loose my deposit when I inquired about early departure, instead they told me that the monthly rate will apply, since it is the cheapest option.
But, of course, as mentioned before, nobody remembers that conversation.
The staff told me that they would talk to the owners and present my concern. Tomorrow it will be a week and I have not heard from them.
For legal reasons and forum policies, I can not name the RV park, but a Google search revealed others loosing their deposits.
Texas tenant law is clear: triple the deposit and attorney fees, if the Landlord is found to be breaking the law.
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1994 30' Excella Front Kitchen Trailer
1990 25' Excella Travel trailer
1992 350LE Classic Touring Coach
AIR #13
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11-22-2017, 11:01 PM
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Figment of My Imagination
2012 Interstate Coach
From All Over
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Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 10,868
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PeterH-Airstreamer
Texas tenant law is clear: triple the deposit and attorney fees, if the Landlord is found to be breaking the law.
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Provided you choose to press charges and take them to court.
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11-23-2017, 04:45 AM
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Rivet Master
2014 20' Flying Cloud
Sag Harbor
, New York
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 17,523
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PeterH-Airstreamer
I just completed an out-of-town job staying in an RV Park on a monthly rate.
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Could you please tell us the city, at least? This would let others keep their antennas up for a repeat performance, without violating anyone's rights or duties here.
Have a great Thanksgiving!
Peter
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11-23-2017, 06:07 AM
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Rivet Master
2007 Interstate
Sneedville
, Tennessee
Join Date: Feb 2014
Posts: 1,753
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PeterH-Airstreamer
Good question, but according to the agreement, irrelevant, since I already prepaid a non-refundable monthly fee. They did tell me, if I would leave my Airstream (occupied or not) in the site until the end of the month, I would get my deposit back. I am just not sure which second of the last day I would have to pull it out to avoid either being too early or too late
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Sounds like they are more concerned about having empty spots than happy customers. None of this is logical. You didn’t ask for half your second month rent back, so what’s their loss?
I was trying to see what the daily rate would have been for six weeks.
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11-23-2017, 06:09 AM
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Rivet Master
2007 Interstate
Sneedville
, Tennessee
Join Date: Feb 2014
Posts: 1,753
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OTRA15
Could you please tell us the city, at least? This would let others keep their antennas up for a repeat performance, without violating anyone's rights or duties here.
Have a great Thanksgiving!
Peter
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Steps up, antenna down! Saw this sign at an RV Park in New Mexico.😂😂😂
Happy Thanksgiving.
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11-23-2017, 06:19 AM
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Rivet Master
1989 34.5' Airstream 345
Ebro
, Fla Panhandle
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 1,212
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Sorry that happened to you Peter.
Nice project by the way, I would have enjoyed spending so much time amongst that collection, reckon you enjoy them yourself.
And a question for the readers here.
Just so I understand why is it that folks that are not good for their word or are unethical in there way s of dealing with customers, are protected from exposure in a tight community that could well end up doing business with them?
Is there some sort of liability concern for our host?
The fact that people are shielded from exposure in a case like this just lets them continue the practice with no concequences.
And doesn't allow us to avoid them.
Thanks Richard
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11-23-2017, 07:35 AM
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Airstream Driver
1994 30' Excella
1992 35' Airstream 350
Austin
, Texas
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 5,224
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tincampers
Sounds like they are more concerned about having empty spots than happy customers. None of this is logical. You didn’t ask for half your second month rent back, so what’s their loss?
I was trying to see what the daily rate would have been for six weeks.
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Daily rate is $45.-/50.-. The weekly rate AND daily rate for my second month stay would have been less than what I paid for the entire month, after they kept the deposit. Plus I had to pay for my own Electricity, which is included in the daily rate.
This is the line in the contract they are using against me. The entire contract is governed and construed in accordance with the laws of the State of Texas, the legality remains to be verified.
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1994 30' Excella Front Kitchen Trailer
1990 25' Excella Travel trailer
1992 350LE Classic Touring Coach
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11-23-2017, 08:26 AM
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Rivet Master
2007 Interstate
Normal
, Illinois
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 18,051
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You might consider opening a dispute with the Better Business Bureau...
Maggie
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