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Old 10-17-2012, 01:54 PM   #15
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The second A/C is really only necessary if you are going to visit the Southwest in July or the Gulfcoast in the summer.. In Washington, it is probably redundant, unless you are in Tri Cities area of Eastern WA during hot spell..

As for towing, there are all kinds of opinions and formulas.. We towed our 7250# (GVWR) Excella 25 with an older Suburban 1500, with barely 200 hp.. It worked, though we took to the mountains with holding tanks empty, water tank less than half full, and were prepared to drive slower than 70... We made it to Canadian Rockies, San Juans, over Tehachapies and Siskayou's and it worked fine.. The hard deck bed covers for trucks or low shells make places to fasten racks for bikes or small kayaks, and most else fits in bed of truck (Chairs, generator, firewood, etc..).

SOunds like you are already enjoying new trailer, and hope it continues...
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Old 10-18-2012, 08:10 AM   #16
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Iwas also curious about 2 roof airs. Our previous trailer had only 1 and it was like a refrigerator in there. i thought maybe the reason the Airstream has 2 is because they are not ducted like our previous trailer. Maybe Airstream designers and engineers figure the living room roof air would not cool the bedroom through the walk through bath and vice versa. Our Airstream, like our previous trailer, is very cold. I stay bundled up.
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Old 10-18-2012, 08:35 AM   #17
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Iwas also curious about 2 roof airs. Our previous trailer had only 1 and it was like a refrigerator in there. i thought maybe the reason the Airstream has 2 is because they are not ducted like our previous trailer. Maybe Airstream designers and engineers figure the living room roof air would not cool the bedroom through the walk through bath and vice versa. Our Airstream, like our previous trailer, is very cold. I stay bundled up.
Keep in mind that an Airstream will not reflect direct sun as well as your typical white box trailer. Airstream does not typically build units with two AC units as standard equipment. That's an option that the dealer makes when orders are placed. In your locale having two units on a trailer your size is an exception. What are the BTU rating on the bedroom unit? I'm sure the front is 13,500.

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Old 10-18-2012, 08:52 AM   #18
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One of the things that we find very helpful with storage has been to put a Leer cap on our truck and make extensive use of the back of the truck to keep clutter out of the trailer. We carry all kinds of larger items, lawn chairs, ladder, folding picnic take, BBQ bottle,tools etc in there and also big rubbermaid boxes with shoes, boots, extra food items (mostly cans and drinks & stuff, and also one box for misc.

It can at times be a bit of a pain digging something out of the back if it is right up near the cab, but helps a great deal in keeping the trailer uncluttered.

When we bought our trailer - actually 31ft length - we towed it home from Ohio to Ontario withe the 1/2 ton we had at the time. But then, the terrain is pretty flat.

I felt that we could get away with it in a pinch (it was within the rated tow capacity, but not by much 0f a margin) but in the end I figured what the heck you only live once so i sprung for a 3/4 ton diesel.

I have found that it has made for a whole lot more relaxing and enjoyable towing experience, especially when traveling in the south western states and I would do it again. Maybe a bit tough to justify the extra expense, but to me it was worth it.

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Old 10-18-2012, 09:35 AM   #19
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Welcome; glad that you are enjoying the AS. If you don't already have a topper/cap on the PU box, that is perhaps the easiest way to recover the lost external storage access from you SOB. We went from a longer SOB to the shorter AS and found that we actually had better inside storage with the AS. We love that aspect!

However, losing the exterior access storage has taken some time to get used to - although carrying the gens in the back of the truck makes for eliminated gasoline smell in the TT. Just be sure to keep your load low in the box to not obscure your rearward vision. The most inconvenient aspect of this all is that due to the relatively short frame in front of the AS and the camper jack location, we have to disconnect the truck to access anything of size in the truck box; we can't open the end gate of the truck with the AS hitched up. Access to items in the front of the bed is much easier with a slide out - a very good purchase that has been in three trucks now. Likely, our F150 would have been adequate for the FC20, but it was not a good performer with the longer SOB. What we can say is that with the Ram diesel, the tranny rarely shifts going up mountain passes and the diesel exhaust brake makes descent very safe and enjoyable... no more over heated brakes and / or white knuckles on the passes.
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Hi, I asked our dealer about the 27' with 2 AC units and here is her response:

The 27’ FB and 28’ being able to have a 2nd air conditioner is a new option for Airstream. (Previously available only on the 30’ and 31’ as you mentioned). Since Airstream has increased the units to 15,000 BTU for the main unit a 2nd AC is not always necessary. The advantage to having one AC unit is that you remain on 30amp service versus 50amp. With a 30’ or 31’ a 2nd air conditioner is necessary since the hallway is long and it is difficult to get one AC to push all that air towards the bedroom. In a 27’ the AC is more centrally located for air flow throughout.
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Old 10-18-2012, 11:31 PM   #21
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Hi, I asked our dealer about the 27' with 2 AC units and here is her response:

The 27’ FB and 28’ being able to have a 2nd air conditioner is a new option for Airstream. (Previously available only on the 30’ and 31’ as you mentioned). Since Airstream has increased the units to 15,000 BTU for the main unit a 2nd AC is not always necessary. The advantage to having one AC unit is that you remain on 30amp service versus 50amp. With a 30’ or 31’ a 2nd air conditioner is necessary since the hallway is long and it is difficult to get one AC to push all that air towards the bedroom. In a 27’ the AC is more centrally located for air flow throughout.
There is no difficulty in getting the air back to the bedroom. My 30' unit has a center bath which has two wooden pocket doors (one at the bedroom, one at the living area) which could be closed. The air conditioner sits just forward of the center bath area. Even though both doors are cut to allow air passage, I could potentially see some restriction. So if you keep those doors open, you will have no issue in getting air to the rear of the trailer.

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Old 10-28-2012, 06:17 PM   #22
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Our local dealer has two 27FB Classics in stock, one with 2 AC and the other with the standard 1 AC. When asked which we should consider, he said that 1 has worked for 80 years, and that having both wasn't necessary.
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Old 10-28-2012, 06:38 PM   #23
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I towed a 25' with a 97 F150 with a 4.6 liter engine for a while. It towed okay, but not much power. I would think if your 150 is speced right for towing it will tow it okay. We now tow with a 2500 diesel. Get some sort of locking cover for the truck bed. Helps gas milege and gives a lot of fairly dry space.
We do okay on space. We have no children. I am amazed at what some people carry though. We carry 2 folding chairs and a folding table in the trailer storage compartment. 2 more in the back of the trunk. Generator sometimes. Spare trailer tire in the truck. A pack of wax fire logs. A plastic box in the truck with links blocks, hitching stuff, chocks. Plastic box in the truck for groceries. That is actuall about it. (No grill). Room left for golf clubs and a ton of fishing stuff. Sometimes I carry back more than we left with. Have bought hoses and extension cords when needed on a trip. When you are on the road you have access to anything that Walmart sells.
We have one air conditioner. I have been where I might have turned another one on for a while. Our general plan is to try to avoid hot areas at hot times of the year.
You are correct in assuming the skin of the Airstream gets hot and does not reflect heat as well as a pure white trailer. Park in the shade if you can. Deploy the awnings ASAP on the sunny side. If you only have one airconditoner turn it on ASAP. You have a better chance of keeping it cool than cooling it down after it gets heat soaked. At least that is the way it feels to me.
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Old 10-29-2012, 05:14 PM   #24
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The glory of having to roof airs is this-since they are loud- when you are in the bedroom sleeping you can run the living room air or when you are in the living room you can run the bedroom air. In hot weather I will run both if I am connected to 50 amp service. Last week I was connected to 30 amp service so I just ran 1. Both roof air units are heat pumps also and they work great. The trailer was so nice and warm. 2 humans and 1 cat really enjoyed it.
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I notice that most the replies you got are not from other 27FB owners, are not about your trailer storage questions, and go more into whether or not you need two air cons. Like, you're NOW going to take their advice and remove one?

We've now got about a month total in a 2011 27FB. My last RV with wheels ( not counting boats) was a 26 ft. Fleetwood Jamboree Class C, that had lots of lockable outside storage. So the difference between that and the 27FB is pretty obvious to me. We live outside the US and store the trailer in CO so we don't own a tow truck yet. So we don't have the option of loading up the back of an F-350 with stuff. We're limited to the trailer, and the open bed of a rental truck.

The storage so far has been adequate, with some careful planning. We use a small propane grill, Coleman, that fits under the front bed. We keep the power cable, jack stands, and heavier tools in that same lockable space. So far, the slide out drawer under the dinette seat closest to the door is holding the smaller tools and supplies I need to grab on a more frequent basis. The rear bumper storage only has some dirty stuff in it that I figure nobody would be interested in stealing, since that space doesn't lock. As far as internal storage for clothes, kitchen supplies, food, etc. there's more than enough. It's heavy stuff and big toys that start complicating thing.

This year we bought two folding full size mountain bikes. We fold them up and put them in the trailer for storage, and cable lock them to the trailer tongue while we're in the trailer. Not ideal, but it works.

I'd love to add an 18 ft. Hobie Tandem Island, but the problem of where to store it while we're living in the trailer is still something to be worked out. Also, where to store it when the trailer's in storage. There's no place big enough on the 27FB to store a Honda 2000 genny, which is a real shame. I did talk to one owner who stores one inside a plastic tub inside the trailer when they are not using it. Not ideal.

My opinion is that your best approach is to either add some kind of sliding shelf to the bed of your truck, or get a camper shell with side access and good locks. Things like boats, bikes, chairs, grills, generators, etc. would best be carried locked up in your truck.

It's a shame nobody builds a good 4x4 van with a diesel and tow package.
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