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Old 10-06-2016, 01:15 PM   #57
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Daveswenson..I agree 5% on any system would be fantastic if the Firefly had a history of functioning right, but when there is no water in the tank, and it's reading 15%, and then I drain another completely different system and it goes up to 20%, something must be way wrong with either the Firefly system, or the sensors.

Anyone with a 2017 Classic with a Firefly system who has seen this, please comment. looking for answers. Thanks in advance
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Old 10-06-2016, 04:01 PM   #58
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As the master of the obvious, it should go without saying that having the trailer "level" will play an important role in tank "levels" being as accurate as they can be. No pun intended...

I found that my Classic, when level fore<>aft as well as curb<>road, indicated pretty well in terms of cumulative percentage ... if anything, they indicated higher than reality but that was just a general observation - I did not do anything scientific like filling the freshwater tank, then emptying 5 gals at a time into a bucket, that was then poured into the toilet to monitor the firefly panel for accuracy ... and same for gray tanks. I'd like to, but didn't seem like a priority during our first days of camping. When I "pushed" my tanks to 90-ish% full, I went ahead and emptied them. Next time out, I'll probably push the gray to overflow in the shower while watching the tank monitor ... same for toilet. If it deviates from reality along the way, that's okay ... it's just the two of us ... I can deal with it as long as I've got a semi-accurate warning before overflowing.
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Old 10-07-2016, 05:43 AM   #59
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I like the gauges and did in our previous AS, but I never trusted those and probably will not trust these. I know how much we put into each tank, approximately while stationary in a campsite and end up dumping about every third or forth day. I also seldom travel with more than a days worth of black and grey in the tanks, so if in a site for two nights and three days I dump. Don't like towing the extra weight nor carry what could be an issue down the road.

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Old 10-14-2016, 12:23 PM   #60
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Question to owners of 2017 Classic:

I am on with the factory and so far no answer. There is a flip down door on the back road side of the trailer for city water inlet and then moving to the rear of the trailer, still in the same flip down area there is a silver handle with a white drain hose coming out then the black tank fill inlet.

What is the silver handle and drain for. We have a twin if that makes a difference. Plus in our FC the back flush would pour water into the black tank, this inlet does not seem to do that.

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Old 10-14-2016, 12:56 PM   #61
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Hi Bud,

I had the same question. The service department told me it was one of the several low point drains. I believe it drains the bathroom plumbing.

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RonaldC303, thanks. I got the factory to send me a schematic for the entire plumbing of the 2017 Classic and it appears to be just that a low point drain for the bath area.

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Old 10-19-2016, 09:30 AM   #63
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Ron, can you elaborate a bit on the cell booster, please?
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Old 10-21-2016, 12:43 PM   #64
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Alde update

As far as the Alde system as a heater; it's amazing! No noise! Works beautifully.
Hot water will depend on the temperature of the cold water. Airstream installed a mixing valve to combine the output of the Alde with the cold water line to lower the temperature of the hot water to all faucets. The mixing valve is not thermostatically controlled, so that your experience as to Alde's effectiveness of producing hot water will vary as to the cold water temperature. If you live in the Southern States where cold water is NOT cold; you'll think the Alde is the greatest thing. Here in the North, the cold water can be cold even in the hottest days of Summer. I'm camping this weekend where the temps drop into the 30's and 40's; there is only luke warm water, NO hot water. My solution is to fill the fresh water tank and turn on the tank heater pads. This helps just enough to have a barely warm shower; but still not comfortable at all. I'll be at my dealer on Monday to have some mods installed to address my hot water woes.
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Old 10-22-2016, 06:17 AM   #65
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Rawn77, clever idea about the tank pads. I'd be interested to hear what the dealer does to improve the hot water. Ours was ok the times we used it, but not hot as you noted, especially the second shower.

The observation on water temp from source is spot on as I've talked to folks in the south and one who used theirs at the International and they all had no issues with water bring hot.

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Old 10-22-2016, 08:48 AM   #66
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Ron,

We picked up our 2017 Classic last week and had the exact same hot water issues as you describe. I'm really interested in knowing about any mods that will resolve this problem. The idea that you must click a button or adjust something ahead of time just to wash a couple of dishes or take a hot shower does not fit the Classic. We love everything about the Classic and would love it even more if we had hot water. If they can resolve that one issue, it's a long-term keeper. Keep us posted.

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My dealer CanAm RV, will be installing (adding) a conventional Atwood 6 gallon gas/electric water heater.
Mine will be the 2nd '17 Classic they'll be performing this mod to.
Let me be clear, the Alde system will still be functional. The Atwood will feed the Alde hot water, so there will be a total of 8 gallons available. You will have the option of turning off the Atwood in case you don't need to take the secondary source.
In the previous Classic, they installed it under the bathroom sink.
Because I have rear levelling jacks, where the road side jack is installed under that sink, my Atwood heater will be installed under the dinette seat (under the tv). I will lose the exterior shower.

Let the questions begin

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2017 AS question: Does anyone know if Alcoa or Airstream has addressed the filiform issue that some people have been experiencing with earlier year units? What year was this corrected?
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My dealer CanAm RV, will be installing (adding) a conventional Atwood 6 gallon gas/electric water heater.
Mine will be the 2nd '17 Classic they'll be performing this mod to.
Let me be clear, the Alde system will still be functional. The Atwood will feed the Alde hot water, so there will be a total of 8 gallons available. You will have the option of turning off the Atwood in case you don't need to take the secondary source.
In the previous Classic, they installed it under the bathroom sink.
Because I have rear levelling jacks, where the road side jack is installed under that sink, my Atwood heater will be installed under the dinette seat (under the tv). I will lose the exterior shower.

Let the questions begin

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That's a shame such drastic measures need to be made to get hot water. Do the radiators get hot to the touch at all when heating the interior or just warm?
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That's a shame such drastic measures need to be made to get hot water. Do the radiators get hot to the touch at all when heating the interior or just warm?
The radiators are just warm to the touch; again, the Alde heating is amazing.

I do agree that it is quite the shame that the engineers at Airstream haven't tested this system thoroughly in all useable weather conditions.

If I had to do it again; I would. The heating system is that good; I wouldn't want to go back to the noisy roller coaster temperature of the forced air. Perhaps if I lived in the lower 48, I'd have a different opinion.
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