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Old 09-18-2016, 01:27 AM   #71
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Well, we have a great 30 footer for sale, so hit us up when you're ready. We love the layout, we only wish our new tow rig could handle it. It's only 2' longer than a 28, but it feels so much bigger.
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Old 09-19-2016, 02:42 PM   #72
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We just came back from Hershey. Before leaving (and before personally experiencing) we were set on the 23 (FB). After sitting in all of them we determined that (for the wife and I) the 25 was the correct size. We will go on a few three week trips per year and some shorter trips. The difference was the lounge area. We can spread out in the 25 but not the 23. My wife asked me how could we comfortably watch TV at night or even read and that sealed the deal. The extra size (to us) was well worth the extra cost. The added benefit is that when a child may want to tag along we have enough room.
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Old 09-19-2016, 10:14 PM   #73
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Don't you have the 15 passenger model van? what's in there that you can't fit bikes?

Also, I'm 100% on board with the windowless bedroom idea. we went from full panoramic windows in a 25 to a couple small windows in in the 30' bunk (we removed the front queen) and it is so much warmer for cold weather camping. we even call it the cave. I'd definitely go that route.
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Old 09-19-2016, 10:31 PM   #74
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Here's the layout of the van:

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Old 09-20-2016, 04:10 AM   #75
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We just came back from Hershey. Before leaving (and before personally experiencing) we were set on the 23 (FB). After sitting in all of them we determined that (for the wife and I) the 25 was the correct size.
I think this is where the 23d model outshines the 23FB. If you really want the larger bath area, and want the twin, the 23FB is the one you want, but if you want the lounge area, you really have to go with the 25 or 23D.
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Old 09-20-2016, 05:26 AM   #76
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Ok. I see now. the transit has more room?
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Old 09-20-2016, 10:46 AM   #77
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Yes, the transit has a lot more room. It's a lot boxier. Here's our thought process.

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Old 09-20-2016, 10:59 AM   #78
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Good video. You tell, you tell. Sailing ha ha got it. Where are they now. Need to check in on them.

Sounds like you've done your research. We'll enjoy the transtion. Can't wait to see what you do to the Transit NV.
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Old 09-20-2016, 12:06 PM   #79
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We currently full-time in a FC 30. We LOVE it. We don't feel like it's too much trailer, and we love the room inside.

We're seriously considering getting another tow vehicle which won't be able to pull our FC 30, so we'll have to downsize our trailer to match.

Here's what we've learned about ourselves and our trailer needs in 2 months of full-timing:

- Windows are a must (hence the fact that we're only looking at Airstreams)
- We run out of fresh water WAY before our waste tanks fill (54 gal fresh, 38 grey, 38 black)
- Grey fills about twice as fast as black
- With our current tanks, we can go 1 week before we run out of fresh water, and 2 weeks before our grey fills.
- We thought we'd LOVE windows in the bedroom, but we'd be fine without them. I don't mind a "cave" feeling in the bedroom, plus it'd be warmer. I can feel the cold seep near the windows


So here are our thoughts...

FC 23D

Pros:

- great size
- super low weight
- narrower body, easier to tow
- we're fine with the corner bed. We actually dig it
- limited storage, but we think we could make it work
- we LOVE the corner bath. It's out of the way, and the sink can be used when someone else is in the bathroom. Love that
- Love the windows up front at the dinette area.
- less area to heat
- really dig the lounge/bed

Cons:
- Tiny fridge that doesn't have a dedicated freezer. I've never used a fridge like this before, anyone have any experience with stuff like ice cream/frozen chicken, etc. in the icebox? We'd probably have to modify our trailer to fit a 7-8 cu/ft fridge, which may not even be possible. We use every inch of space in our 8 cu/ft fridge/freezer right now.
- Tiny grey (21 gal) and black (18 gal) tanks. We'd have to consider combining them and running a composting toilet, but we're not really huge fans on composting toilets.
- Very little kitchen prep space

Apart from the small tanks and fridge, we want the 23D, but we're afraid those are deal-breakers.





FC 25 FB

Pros:
- lots of space
- rear dinette is cool
- really dig the lounge/bed
- wider body, more room inside (6" wider)

Cons:
- fully loaded to GVWR, they're just barely past the weight limit of our tow rig (limit is at 7100 lbs). I doubt we'll approach that number though.
- we don't need a ton of windows in our bedroom. In fact, we'd prefer fewer windows


So... we're thinking a FC 25 would be the better bet. We want to go with a FC 23D, but the fridge and small tanks are a deal breaker... unless anyone has any suggestions to sway us one way or the other.

Thoughts? Experience? Does anyone out there have real-world weight numbers for a FC 25 fully loaded?
Please do yourself a great favor and talk to the folks at CanAm RV. They are specialists in towing RVs. We learned that the car towing stats are not always accurate. eg: the same vehicle rated for 3500 lbs in North America is rated at 3 times that in Europe - same vehicle - why the difference? They can explain. It would be such a shame for you to give up your FC30 when you may not have to. www.CanAmRV.ca 1 866-226-2678
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Old 09-20-2016, 12:31 PM   #80
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Thanks, we'll reach out to them. They have a great reputation for making regular cars tow great rigs. We're a little concerned about insurance not covering us in the event of an accident where we were over GVWR ratings. Once we get our transit, we'll consider going to them to get it beefed up. Thanks for the suggestion.
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Old 09-20-2016, 01:59 PM   #81
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Comparing European ratings to US ratings is apples to oranges. faster speeds here. wider trailers here. more heat and elevation change here. different tounge weight characteristics.
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Old 09-23-2016, 08:35 AM   #82
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It's been almost 9 months since we were last at an Airstream dealer. Tonight, at a local RV park we met a few streamers and they let us into their models. SUPER nice people, one of them being our very own Vee Vee on airforums



So we checked out a 25SS ocean breeze. Oh man, we love that ocean breeze interior, and it was so good to finally step inside one of these. We like how much wider the bed is than the 23D. We dig the dual outside storage hatches. It definitely felt more like a "cottage" than a manhattan apartment.



Then we headed over to Vee Vee's 2014 27 FB. What a beautiful trailer. It was a twin, and those just feel SOOO open and big. While we can't tow a 27, it was good to remember the layout for a 25 (with a few small exceptions - smaller wardrobe, counter, and different bed setup). Those twins are cool with the 3 exterior access hatches. They were HUGE! WHat a beatiful trailer. Thank you Vee Vee.



After seeing a 25ss in person, we think we could make it work. it was fun to see one in person, and it confirmed our suspicions that it'd work for us full-time (barely). So the search continues. We really hope to find an ocean breeze, as that model was so inviting inside. So much better than the dark wood of the CCD. That being said, we'd still take a CCD.



Thanks for all the help and advice everyone, this thread has been super helpful.


Well not an Ocean Breeze but I did talk with someone considering selling their 25SS and moving to a newer/larger Airstream. This was at Urban Air happening this weekend. PM inbound with her contact.

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Old 09-24-2016, 07:49 PM   #83
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Looks like Colonial Airstream has a 2005 22'CCD in inventory.

http://www.colonialairstream.com/preowned.html

Should be the same as this trailer.

http://www.colonialairstream.com/preowned/8301.html

Is that too small for you?





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Old 09-24-2016, 11:36 PM   #84
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That's pretty cool! We weren't aware of that model either. The tanks might be a little small, but we might be able to make those work.

Seeing this floorplan makes me want to turn the desk into a corner bed, and the bed into an office...

We aren't huge fans of composting toilets, but if we were able to combine black and grey, that'd allow us to be in a smaller trailer. The other issue is the size of the fridge. I'm going to have to study the ccd 22. Thanks for the tip. We really like that it's a dual axle too. We really want that on our next trailer too.
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