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Old 12-26-2014, 10:06 PM   #43
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what about the discussion of the bus with orphans. we havent discussed that yet, or the warranty.
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Old 12-26-2014, 10:21 PM   #44
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I really don't believe I've endangered the orphans or voided the warranty- now both the truck and trailer are totally out of warranty- 8 year old truck, 2 year old trailer, but the orphans are absolutely safe around my truck 'n' trailer-
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Old 12-26-2014, 10:30 PM   #45
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Yep, that is a heavy trailer.

Steve, your trailer weighs as much as my truck and trailer combined.

Details like that change things.


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Old 12-26-2014, 10:44 PM   #46
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Well just to confuse things even more and offer my own "expert" opinion, I have the following to offer.

I have a 1997 31W wide body. GVWR is 8300#. I have towed this trailer with three different vehicles- 1/2T, 3/4T and 1T. I will throw out the 1T and compare the other two. I used the same WD hitch set up with both the 1/2 and 3/4.

Would the 1/2 pull the trailer? Yes, however it was not comfortable stopping, in the hills going down and on the interstate. Overall my 3/4T is much more comfortable to tow with with reference to stopping and the general feeling of being in "control". I do not believe I would ever tow anything above 25' with a 1/2T.. Now a days a 25' weighs almost as much as my 31'. JMTC.
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Old 12-27-2014, 01:50 AM   #47
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Towed through the mountains of Colorado, Utah and Nevada just fine. 45-50 up the steepest grades.
That's one of the biggest reasons I bought the 2500 diesel. Last thing I want to be is the guy doing 45-50, wringing his engine out as he hopes to keep pace with the semi hauling triple loads, chugging along "I think I can, I think I can..."

AS salesguy said the Ford 150 ecoboost would tow the 28 just fine for my needs. BS. Did that once with another rig. Towing a 2000lb trailer stuffed with a heavy touring motorbike, up the Siskiyous, at the limit of published tow capacity and a hundred pounds over payload, foot pegged to the floor on the inclines, and worrying about brakes on the declines, plus the strain on transmission, engine, and my nerves. Would it tow? Yes. Would I repeat said trip? Never again.

The 2500 6.7 Cummins means I just don't even worry about whether I can tow safely with 2 motorbikes in the bed and the 28 fully loaded, up the mountain passes, or worry about stopping or overheating. It's just not even a concern, and with the engine brakes, extra HD capacity, cooling, and loads of torque, I'm the guy doing 65+ up those passes, keeping up with traffic. (and yes, I upgraded to 16" rims with Michelin LT tires, so it can safely go 65+, where those speeds are allowed).

There's no such thing as too much truck.
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Old 12-27-2014, 07:27 AM   #48
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There is a difference in towing a 20,000 lb trailer and towing a typical Airstream, new or old.

I wouldn't tow a 20,000 pound trailer with anything smaller than a one ton, but I think a one ton would be too much truck for my trailer.


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Old 12-27-2014, 07:28 AM   #49
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Yep, that is a heavy trailer.

Steve, your trailer weighs as much as my truck and trailer combined.

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Yes, J., the newer model trailers are much heavier than the earlier models, especially the S/O's. Ours is the dinette slide, but for a while they made a couch slide (longer slide), and it is even heaver and has a weighed tongue weight of 1300lbs. A member in our unit has one, and we weighed it a while back. He tows it with a long wheelbase 1 ton Ford with a V10 engine.

Here's a weight ticket for my rig that I got for licensing purposes when I brought the trailer back from California, and it was virtually empty.
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And here's another tidbit about my rig, I have looked it up by VIN, and it has a max towing capacity of 9600lbs, which technically I am exceeding by up to 1500lbs loaded.

However, if you look up the identical truck on Ram's Towing Capacity Chart, same model, body, be length, gear, 4X4, and engine, it has a max towing capacity of 14,800lbs. No one can tell me why, but I'd like to know.
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It amazes me that one would purposely be under powered and over loaded pulling a trailer on today's highways!!....
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It amazes me that one would purposely be under powered and over loaded pulling a trailer on today's highways!!....
Who's under powered and over loaded?
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Old 12-27-2014, 12:40 PM   #53
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I think the towing capacity assigned by manufactures is pretty much nonsensical.

I think there is credence in the amount of weight that is allotted to rest on the vehicles wheels, hitch, and suspension, but IMO the weight of the trailer is essentially none of the TVs concern.

This point of view requires that excellent trailer brakes are part of the equation.

Just an opinion that I have developed over decades of working with using, modifying, and speccing one tons to safely tow trailers.


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Old 12-27-2014, 12:53 PM   #54
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It amazes me that one would purposely be under powered and over loaded pulling a trailer on today's highways!!....

You might assume that my 5.3 1/2 ton is overloaded and underpowered, but that does not make your assumption correct. (You know It is an assumption right?)

I will grant that my truck wont pull as well as well as the diesels or V10s commonly found in modern trucks, but I can drive from Little Rock AR to Tucson AZ and back and never encounter a hill that will make me drive below 70 MPH.

That is good enough for me.

As far as the overloading goes, with W/D, there is not the slightest chance that my truck has ever even approached an overloaded condition.

Even without W/D my headlights hit the pavement quite well thank you!

Now if I lived in Billings Montana, and I drove the Montana roads often I might see things differently. But I don't.

Climbing an 8% grade south of Globe AZ my low speed was about 37mph.

Kinda slow, but fast enough that there were no big trucks running away from me, on the contrary....

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Yes, trailer brakes are definitely a big part of the equation, however, I learned by force last summer there is a big difference in loosing trailer brakes while towing, and towing knowing you have no trailer brakes.

While we were on a trip to Northern California for a relative's wedding, we were returning thru Idaho when our Actibrake electric over hydraulic brake actuator failed. You do not find one of those at your local RV place or auto parts store, and we needed to get home.

So, we proceeded home, on mostly Interstate highways, and thank the Lord for the engine brake in the truck as most of the time, that's all that was needed. My only real concern was going thru Denver because I knew the traffic would be stop and go, bumper to bumper, so I found a route around it over to Lymon, CO, and down US 285. What I did in traffic was to make sure I traveled at least 5mph slower than everyone else which almost guaranteed me a large safety margin space in front of me, and drove watching for tail lights ahead. Fortunately, my system worked out, and we made it home OK.

I do not want to do this again, and because of this if I had my choices, I would have electric brakes, but to change at this point would require changing everything including axles, I am told.
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One of my preeminent rules at work is that no truck leaves the lot without the trailer brakes being verified as working.

The only time I have towed either of my Airstreams without working brakes was when I first purchased them.

Like you I chose my route carefully, and then executing the movement on a Saturday.

I run about a dozen trailers with elec/hyd actuators, so I do know the difficulty in trying to find these units on short notice.


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