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04-04-2014, 10:26 PM
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1 Rivet Member
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Skid Rollers for Flying Cloud 27FB?
My Flying Cloud rear skids drag entering the driveway. Are skid rollers a viable option to minimizing damage? What does dragging do to the chassis or rest of the structure?
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04-04-2014, 11:03 PM
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Rivet Master
2005 25' Safari
Salem
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Welcome to the forum.
Hi, try removing your WD bars to give you more clearance.
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04-05-2014, 12:41 AM
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BicycleStreamers
2016 28' Pendleton
Buxton
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I had the rollers attached to the rear end to reduce dragging on my driveway. They work great. The only suggestion I have is to make sure the rollers stay lubed so they can rotate when you're coming in at an angle.
Good luck,
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04-07-2014, 10:36 PM
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1 Rivet Member
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Thanks for the feedback. I tried it with WD removed, but didn't help enough. Finally got sufficient clearance by building up the ramps another 2 1/2". Scheduled an appoint to get skid rollers installed.
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04-07-2014, 11:30 PM
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Rivet Master
1972 31' Sovereign
1975 31' Excella 500
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I will be raising my Airstream up two inches when I get around to putting new axles on, it is just too low for my taste.
It is too much of a PITA to get in and out of too many places.
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04-08-2014, 04:29 AM
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If the trailer rolls on the wheel it is just like jacking the trailer from that location. I strongly suggest you do not install them. Better is to gain the height by taking off the weight distro and using boards.
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04-30-2014, 06:09 AM
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Rivet Master
2015 28' Flying Cloud
Durango
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 62overlander
If the trailer rolls on the wheel it is just like jacking the trailer from that location. I strongly suggest you do not install them. Better is to gain the height by taking off the weight distro and using boards.
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The jack point on my 23FB is at the rear near the skids. The chassis is obviously designed for taking this force. No difference in skidding vs rolling as far as vertical force, just less drag.
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04-30-2014, 12:22 PM
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The chassis is not designed to take that force. The skids are there just incase.
Good luck, you obviously know better.
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04-30-2014, 12:41 PM
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Rivet Monster
1975 31' Sovereign
1980 31' Excella II
Sprung Leak
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JamuJoe
The jack point on my 23FB is at the rear near the skids. The chassis is obviously designed for taking this force. No difference in skidding vs rolling as far as vertical force, just less drag.
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Ever hear of "point loading"? That is what the wheels do, skids spread the load out over a larger area.
Aaron
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04-30-2014, 10:22 PM
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Thanks for all the input and discussion everyone. This has been a frustrating problem to solve. Ramps seem to have a positive but limited affect at reducing the rear skid plates from dragging. This is in large part because it is not a simple straight in approach into the dipped and inclining driveway, but also adds an immediate curve in the path of travel. I cringe when the skid plates drag, more so when I know the tail end is also feeling the effects of side forces. Because of these challenges and to minimize stressing the trailer, we've temporarily stored the Flying Cloud in local (but not near by) RV storage. We've also decided to have rear skid casters installed by the Airstream dealer in the next few weeks. I'll post how these work out for us.
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05-01-2014, 12:16 AM
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Rivet Master
Commercial Member
1962 19' Globetrotter
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Change driveway or never park on it would be the simple solution?!
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05-01-2014, 12:39 AM
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Rivet Master
1977 31' Excella 500
West Sacramento
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20 years of parking the trailer in my driveway bottoming out entering and exiting contributed to my cracked frame. New axles finally fixed the problem.
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05-01-2014, 05:44 AM
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4 Rivet Member
2013 27' FB International
2012 23' Flying Cloud
GVA
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I have a 27 fb international with a 8 degree driveway . My solution was to buy a 5 inch drop hitch witch I use to get her off my hill , both coming and going , it means changing the w/d hitch each time to get on and off the property but it works and I getting more efficient every time I do it. The only other answer would be to change out your wheels to a 16 inch and that might do it , by adding an additional 1/2 inch to the height of road clearance .
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05-01-2014, 06:42 AM
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Rivet Master
2007 30' Classic
Oswego
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I was quite surprised at how even a 1/2" difference made when going to 16" wheels. Of course I have healthy axles as well. I would think that is the #1 cause of excessive tail dragging. I'd rather just drag on the sacrificial skid plates and weld on new angle when the ends wear through.
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05-01-2014, 07:59 AM
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Rivet Master
1981 31' Excella II
New Market
, Alabama
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You can get some plates that raise the trailer on the axles. The bal jacks are not made to jack the trailer up with. Jacking the trailer off the ground at those locations will stress things. Bottoming will have the same effect. Rollers that are lower than the skid plates will just put more load on the frame.
Perry
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05-01-2014, 03:36 PM
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1962 26' Overlander
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 4RXLA
20 years of parking the trailer in my driveway bottoming out entering and exiting contributed to my cracked frame. New axles finally fixed the problem.
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1977 steel had a lot more to do with it.
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06-06-2014, 11:44 PM
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1 Rivet Member
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Just an update. The AS dealership that was going to install the skid rollers told us that Airstream would void the warranty if the original skid plates where removed and the rollers installed. Airstream says the original skid plates act as part of the support structure to the frame and rear wall. Can't say that I agree or understand, but can't take the chance at voiding the warranty. Our AS will stay in storage.
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06-07-2014, 08:17 AM
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ANN ARBOR
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Sometimes rollers can prevent serious damage.
Found on eBay, with “$25,000 INVESTED” in heading.
Not to worry, has “reinforced” frame.
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06-07-2014, 08:25 AM
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Rivet Master
1972 31' Sovereign
1975 31' Excella 500
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Benton
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Skid Rollers for Flying Cloud 27FB?
I got sick of dragging donkey at every little bump in the road. Raised 3", and frame reinforced where it counts.
The front will be raised an inch or two at the hitch before it travels, but this pic should get my point across.
No rollers needed. It handled well on this test drive.
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06-07-2014, 08:43 AM
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Rivet Master
Vintage Kin Owner
Lin
, Ne
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 62overlander
1977 steel had a lot more to do with it.
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I think you mean the Beatrice frame.
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