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Old 08-22-2016, 06:36 AM   #15
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Good call. Thanks for the bidet heads up. Do you have any further ideas about the location of the valve? See A W Warn's linked parts document and comments from last night.

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Peter
Ours is located in the street side rear storage compartment.

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Old 08-22-2016, 08:46 AM   #16
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Ours is located in the street side rear storage compartment.

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I am pretty sure the 30' has some additional complications (and variability depending on floor plan) on the location, judging from that other thread and the sources linked therein . . .
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Old 08-26-2016, 07:54 AM   #17
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3rd the valve is a yellow valve likely under the dinette seat.
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Wondering if you found the valve, and got this sorted out?

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Old 09-01-2016, 10:09 PM   #18
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Same problem and it was very frustrating

Called Colonial, dealer where I purchased new, and they tried to walk me though of how to find this white valve. I was unsuccessful after three calls, 1 service call when they never addressed that issue but completed the other repairs and finally I brought the trailer in and the gentleman that did my walk through originally was able to locate for me. Which is quite easy when you know where it is and the toliet bowl works 10x better once you close it.

It's located by popping off the ducted vent under the kitchen drawers. I was told back to the left but it is indeed to the right and located directly under the duct that you will need to push aside. You will need a flashlight as it is difficult to see and maneuver.

You shouldn't need to remove any drawers. But to give yourself some more space and more light you may want to work the bottom drawer free. Getting the drawers off easy. Back on is a little tricky. Good luck.
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Old 09-02-2016, 03:37 AM   #19
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Thanks thoreau2104 for the report, and welcome to the forum! Glad you are close enough to Colonial to go back! Was it Patrick who located the valve for you?

Streaminfree, could you please let us know you have resolved this problem, and where your valve was located?

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3rd the valve is a yellow valve likely under the dinette seat.
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. . . the gentleman that did my walk through originally was able to locate for me.
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Called Colonial, dealer where I purchased new, and they tried to walk me though of how to find this white valve. I was unsuccessful after three calls, 1 service call when they never addressed that issue but completed the other repairs and finally I brought the trailer in and the gentleman that did my walk through originally was able to locate for me. Which is quite easy when you know where it is and the toliet bowl works 10x better once you close it.



It's located by popping off the ducted vent under the kitchen drawers. I was told back to the left but it is indeed to the right and located directly under the duct that you will need to push aside. You will need a flashlight as it is difficult to see and maneuver.



You shouldn't need to remove any drawers. But to give yourself some more space and more light you may want to work the bottom drawer free. Getting the drawers off easy. Back on is a little tricky. Good luck.

Thanks for the response, my dealer said they thought it was just some sort of normal way it monitored the pressure of the water going into the toilet.

But I'm going to try your solution tomorrow, cause although it kinda made sense it also seemed real odd.
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Old 09-03-2016, 08:03 AM   #21
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Thanks for the response, my dealer said they thought it was just some sort of normal way it monitored the pressure of the water going into the toilet.

But I'm going to try your solution tomorrow, cause although it kinda made sense it also seemed real odd.
Thanks for the reply. If your dealer was wrong about this, I hope you will let us know about what you find.

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Old 09-03-2016, 10:42 AM   #22
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I think you should stop considering a partially open low point drain valve as the problem. When a valve is open it leaks full time as long as there is water pressure. Using water for flushing the toilet would not start and stop water flow from a open low point drain.

I think there is either a pressure regulator or possibly a back flow preventer that is being activated by the drop in water pressure when the toilet valve is used. I do not know enough about the piping layout in your trailer to say which it is, but I am 100% sure an open low point drain would not cause this problem.

I would call Airstream in Jackson Center and ask to speak with someone in engineering who knows how the plumbing is put together.

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Ok, finally getting back to the post, so it sounds like the 1st answer is no, this is not normal.

2nd... The issue is a low point drain that is partially or completely open.

3rd the valve is a yellow valve likely under the dinette seat. I'll check it out later when everyone is awake as it is currently 4:30 am and I'm only awake because my AC was defrosting and waking up my wife. So I had to figure out how to solve that one.

Gonna be an airstream master before long! I'll be sure to come back and post the conclusion, possibly with some pictures.

Headed to some other posts to see if I can fix the AC defrosting issue.
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Old 09-03-2016, 11:13 AM   #23
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I think you should stop considering a partially open low point drain valve as the problem.
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Have you looked at the photo in Post #2? This is not a problem?



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Attachment 269700 this is photo of what I'm talking about.

The discussion in the thread linked in Post #7 here, and the various sources linked in that other thread, clearly suggest that this low point valve can and definitely should be closed.

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I think this is it. There was a recent thread on this but the OP never confirmed the prognosis. Thread here:

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f446...ue-153992.html

I will see if I can get the OP's attention with a quote.

Moreover, theroux2104 just stated in Post #18 that he had solved the problem per the salesman at Colonial, who is yet to be identified:

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. . . the gentleman that did my walk through originally was able to locate for me.
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Clearly - - - the photo in Post #2 shows a problem.

And just as clearly, the problem is very simple to solve with the twist of a shut-off valve for that low point drain.

Pretty simple stuff really . . .



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Old 09-03-2016, 12:35 PM   #24
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Simple? Please explain how a drain valve can be partially open all of the time, but let a substantial flow of water out at various times?
I'm to simple minded to understand.

I agree that it is a problem. I agree that the photos shows a low point drain pipe. What I disagree on is that it is being cause by a drain valve as shown in the photo above in post #15. I think it is a drain for another purpose. (maybe it lets water out of the exterior shower, which could use a pressure relief valve to drain the shower faucet/riser when pressure is released, or in this case of flushing the toilet, reduced enough to activate the valve)
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Have you looked at the photo in Post #2? This is not a problem?






The discussion in the thread linked in Post #7 here, and the various sources linked in that other thread, clearly suggest that this low point valve can and definitely should be closed.




Moreover, theroux2104 just stated in Post #18 that he had solved the problem per the salesman at Colonial, who is yet to be identified:

Clearly - - - the photo in Post #2 shows a problem.

And just as clearly, the problem is very simple to solve with the twist of a shut-off valve for that low point drain.

Pretty simple stuff really . . .



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My recollection is that, in that the other thread, and the sources linked therein, the conundrum is explained, or at least the possibilities narrowed quite a bit. I don't have time to re-read all of that material right now. I only know that thoreau2104 just seemed to say that a simple turn of a valve solved the problem (assuming his model is the same as the OP here).

If you have the time to read all of the other threads, and the owner's manuals linked therein, perhaps you can clarify this independently, but the solution is indeed fairly simple IMO, and does not involve the possibilities you suggest.

Let's see what the OP Streaminfree posts before speculating any further.

Have a good Labor Day weekend.

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PS -- Sorry thoreau2104 for misspelling your name before.

PS2 -- The drain valve shown in Post #15 is by a different poster, and involves a different model than the OP here. Clearly not that relevant IMO. Again, as mentioned above, the low point drain here is special to the OP's and thoreau2104's particular model, and unique floor plan configuration, and does involve the toilet somehow. Again, no time to re-digest all the earlier material now.
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On my trailer there is a similar drain and a special valve. It is there to drain a piece of pipe that apparently the low point drains will not drain. My explanation would be that there is a piece of pipe on that trailer that is really not pressurized until you flush the toilet and it needs its own drain. Beats me why they have to do that stuff, but it probably worked out that way because sometime in the past they just ran pipe and heard from owners that it was freeze breaking even though the owners had the low point drains open.
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Thanks Larry, could you describe the location of that special valve, relative to the foot pedal for the toilet, and the water discharge inside the toilet? Is the special valve actually inline between the foot pedal and the discharge?

Normally, the valve is part of the toilet, and there would be little if any pipe between it and the discharge. Maybe there are exceptions, which require a short run of pipe downstream from the foot pedal, and a special valve at the low point of the run?

Thanks for any further thoughts.

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No, my trailer does not have the configuration of the OP. Mine is a FB 25 and the white valve is in the front outside stbd locker. The pipe penetrates the floor of that locker. The pipe that my trailer drains with that valve is next to the water heater. But it is Airstream's style to do a similar thing for a different trailer layout if they conclude they need a drain in addition to the low points under the trailer.
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