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01-18-2015, 04:43 AM
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Rivet Master
2014 25' Flying Cloud
Cuddebackville
, New York
Join Date: May 2007
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On my '14, with the same configuration, the pump got very loud after the first couple of trips. It turned out to be the board the pump was mounted on came loose. I added a screw or two and it got much quieter.
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01-18-2015, 06:11 AM
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Rivet Master
2020 28' Flying Cloud
Upper St Clair
, Pennsylvania
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To the two who asked, I believe the F150 will do a fine job for any AS 25' and under. Above 25' again in my opinion, after doing six years of research as well as trail and error one needs to consider a 3/4 Diesel. Note I said consider. The lack of payload in the half tons and heavier hitch weights of the longer trailers should be looked at. I know people swear by their 1/2 tons and this is fine, I purchased one for a 25', bought a 30' and after a trip of 200 miles traded for a 3/4 Ton Diesel. Now run a one ton Diesel.
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01-18-2015, 07:50 AM
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Rivet Master
2013 28' Flying Cloud
Central
, Canada
Join Date: Mar 2014
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Thanks for the additional info Bob....
I understand better now!
Cheers
Doug
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01-18-2015, 07:59 AM
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Slympicins
2015 27' Flying Cloud
Sevierville
, Tennessee
Join Date: Dec 2014
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The accumulator is a great idea.
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01-18-2015, 11:56 PM
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Rivet Master
2005 25' Safari
Salem
, Oregon
Join Date: Mar 2006
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Quote:
Originally Posted by paiceman
To the two who asked,
(1.) I believe the F150 will do a fine job for any AS 25' and under.
Above 25' again in my opinion, after doing six years of research as well as trail and error one needs to consider a 3/4 Diesel. Note I said consider.
(2.) The lack of payload in the half tons
and heavier hitch weights of the longer trailers should be looked at. I know people swear by their 1/2 tons and this is fine, I purchased one for a 25', bought a 30' and after a trip of 200 miles traded for a 3/4 Ton Diesel. Now run a one ton Diesel.
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Hi,
(1.) I also believe that a 150 or 1500 should be used for 25' or less. My Lincoln has done a great job for ten years and I will be soon towing my 25' Safari with my new F-150. For reference the F-150 has 65 more ponies and 65 foot pounds more torque than my Lincoln. Also with turbo chargers, it won't suffer the loss of power in the high altitude areas of travel like my Lincoln does.
(2.) As for payload on the 150 / 1500's [mine is 1745 lbs] it has been noted that some 250 / 2500's have a lower payload, lower GCWR, and a lower tow rating than my F-150. Check your specs and especially the yellow sticker in the door jam.
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01-19-2015, 07:56 AM
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Rivet Master
2013 28' Flying Cloud
Central
, Canada
Join Date: Mar 2014
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ROBERTSUNRUS
Hi,
(2.) As for payload on the 150 / 1500's [mine is 1745 lbs] it has been noted that some 250 / 2500's have a lower payload, lower GCWR, and a lower tow rating than my F-150. Check your specs and especially the yellow sticker in the door jam.
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Greetings Bob:
I just compared your sticker info to mine and it seems these F150 are all over the map as far as ratings. Mine is also a 2014, but has P275/55R20 111S Tires while yours seems to have 18" rubber. Wonder why that is?
Mine has a GVWR of 7700 LB while yours looks like it is 7650. Yet your payload is high than mine? Mine is 1545 while yours is 1745. This is strange to me as my GVRW is higher, yet my payload is less. Is this a result of different options on a given truck or something?
As a side note. I have added firestone airbags to my rear axle in the hopes of using it to take a bit of the sag out after I'm hooked up and got the prepared set. Have not tried this yet buy will be in about a week when we head south.
Thanks
Doug
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01-19-2015, 08:21 AM
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Rivet Master
2012 25' Flying Cloud
Battle Lake
, Minnesota
Join Date: Jun 2009
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I also recommend a water pressure accumulator to take up some of the thermal expansion in water system as well as for smoother operation. It can go anywhere in a cold water line after the water pump, there was good spot under the bath sink in our 25 RB. Just take off the supply line to the cold water faucet, hook it to the accumulator, and get a new line from the hardware store to run from the accumulator to the cold water faucet.
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01-19-2015, 09:00 AM
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cramar
1992 25' Excella
Leamington
, Ontario
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 73
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Quote:
Originally Posted by NMSUMIKE
The only complaint we have is the excessive noise that comes from the centrally mounted water pump; it's terrible and our dealer said that there's nothing that can be done about it. Outside of that, it's a wonderful unit.
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Well, it is disturbing to know that since our 1992 was built they are still building them the same stupid way, since our 92 pump makes a lot of noise. What happen to Wally's dictum of "no changes, only improvements"? Having a quieter pump mounting would be a definite improvement. Do they have to take 25 years to figure that out?
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Originally Posted by dkottum
I also recommend a water pressure accumulator to take up some of the thermal expansion in water system as well as for smoother operation. It can go anywhere in a cold water line after the water pump, there was good spot under the bath sink in our 25 RB. Just take off the supply line to the cold water faucet, hook it to the accumulator, and get a new line from the hardware store to run from the accumulator to the cold water faucet.
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Thanks for the picture. That is exactly what I have under the kitchen counter and wondered what it was.
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01-19-2015, 09:13 AM
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Rivet Master
2012 25' Flying Cloud
Battle Lake
, Minnesota
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 7,714
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Airstream doesn't build water pumps, just installs them. The accumulator makes operation smoother but it's still noisy. Perhaps there is a quiet water pump model out there somewhere.
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01-19-2015, 05:31 PM
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Rivet Master
2005 25' Safari
Salem
, Oregon
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 8,376
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Arcticfox
Greetings Bob:
I just compared your sticker info to mine and it seems these F150 are all over the map as far as ratings. Mine is also a 2014, but has P275/55R20 111S Tires while yours seems to have 18" rubber. Wonder why that is?
Mine has a GVWR of 7700 LB while yours looks like it is 7650. Yet your payload is high than mine? Mine is 1545 while yours is 1745. This is strange to me as my GVRW is higher, yet my payload is less. Is this a result of different options on a given truck or something?
As a side note. I have added firestone airbags to my rear axle in the hopes of using it to take a bit of the sag out after I'm hooked up and got the prepared set. Have not tried this yet buy will be in about a week when we head south.
Thanks
Doug
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Hi, this is one reason that I tell people to check the yellow sticker, because the book is confusing / misleading, and the sales person doesn't know. I showed my sales person a fancy F-150 on their showroom floor that only had 1,065 lbs of payload. By the book, mine should be 1900 lbs, but I lost 155 lbs due to the skid plates for the off road package. I will check my book again; Your payload may be less due to the 20" wheels and tires. But since your GVWR is 50 lbs more than mine, that should mean that your payload should be higher, unless for some reason that we can't see, you truck weighs more than mine while empty.
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2000 Navigator / 2014 F-150 Eco-Boost / Equal-i-zer / P-3
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01-19-2015, 09:37 PM
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Rivet Master
1974 Argosy 26
Morrill
, Nebraska
Join Date: Nov 2009
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I would not think the wheels and tires would be included in the payload. Since the truck does not actually carry that weight.
The axles and spring weights are not carried by the truck either. But they do have limited weight carrying capacity.
There are a number of factors that will reduce the load carrying capacity of the truck. Most have to do with the trim package, cab type and bed length.
All that fancy stuff weighs something. A lot more that one would think.
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