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Old 03-14-2014, 09:53 AM   #1
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Red face New floor plan? Crossbreed 27FB w/28W

I like the FB design concept of a rear living area. However I do not believe the dinette/sofa arrangement is practical for long trips. Dropping the dinette table to create a "couch" every night is impractical & not comfortable as a real couch.

I prefer the 28W design with a real L shaped couch & separate dinette. In addition, I prefer fewer windows in the bedroom for privacy, better insulation & corner cabinets. I know 27FBs have been special ordered without the wrap around front window. But this does not solve the dinette/sofa issues.

Would it be possible to flip the 28W with the bedroom forward & living area in the rear? Has this idea been discussed on other threads? Am I the only person who thinks this is a more practical floorplan?

We take 3 to 8 week trips (Alaska, Canada, Baja) on our Bigfoot trailer. We are "function" over "form" people. We are looking for a larger quality trailer. Despite my insulation concerns w/ batt insulation, metal rivets & skin, we are considering an Airstream. Thanks in advance for your constructive comments.
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Old 03-14-2014, 10:14 AM   #2
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For the most part those who have FB like it for their own reasons, and those who have RB like it for their own reasons. Folks tend to like what they have, until they get something else. Then they like that.

It is extremely difficult to flip the interior arrangement (would the entrance door enter the bedroom) so forget that.

None of the trailers mentioned have really comfortable long term seating comfort (they are bench seats), as many have written and then did seating conversions. Including us.

The traditional sofa is good, and for some reclining chairs are better. Both are available in the 30' Airstream. It is rear bed but you won't find many who aren't happy with that.
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Old 03-14-2014, 10:19 AM   #3
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I suppose a dinette could be placed under the TV and across from the sink in a 27FB, but only a small dinette. The lobster pot style sink juts out into the hallway about a foot, space that'll have to be subtracted from the dinette table to maintain hallway width.

When I want to stretch out, I choose to lay on the master bed with some big pillows and watch TV there. We rarely convert the table to a sofa area.
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Old 03-14-2014, 04:22 PM   #4
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Or get an Eddie Bauer 27' Airstream, unbolt and remove the the folding bench seats, then set two comfy recliners inside and make a smaller table top for the table pedestal. An easy conversion to restore to original.
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Old 03-14-2014, 05:29 PM   #5
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The EB27 is a good suggestion.....an easy conversion. Other threads have pointed out that the only comfortable furniture is the sofa in the 30 footers and the recliners. I think the EB27 may be a good option. I am not sure about towing the 30. Thanks
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That's what I like about the Eddie Bauer least and most. Don't care for the bench seats, but the flexibility of removable dining/living furniture that leave open space to configure as desired is terrific.

It can be done with other Airstreams as well, but the EB makes it easier to remove and reinstall original furnishings.
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For these reasons we ordered the 2014 30ft FC with recliners, awnings, 2AC, etc, could not see putting up taking down table, or spending money to convert to recliners later on. Also, had the dealer install 85 watt solar with 16" tires/ Sendel rims ( labor trade out for 15" tires. )
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Old 03-16-2014, 10:44 AM   #8
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If you do some hunting on interior mods, you'll find a number of us with the 28' have pulled out the "attractive" L seat sofa. It is attractive. It is also incredibly uncomfortable to sit on. IMHO, it's not just the foam -- in order to convert this into a bed, it's a bit wide, and a bit high. So when you sit on it, it's just not comfortable. I ended up sitting at the very end with my feet up on the short part of the "L". I pulled out the L seat last month and converted it to two recliners, also built a cabinet that's designed for use as a place to store adult beverages. As you'll see, what's left of my "L" is 1/2 of the short side -- I had to keep that as underneath is the hot water heater, front is the electrical panel. Converter and subwoofer are also partially in that space.
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Old 03-16-2014, 01:13 PM   #9
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Our 2012 Eddie Bauer 27FB Dinette Conversion

We scrapped the dinette and went with 2 Lambright recliners with removable side tables. Then I created a coffee table and another dinette table for the couch over the furnace.

I reused the old 3'x4' dinette table to make 2 smaller tables. Both are removable so we can still use the back door and store large items in the Eddie Bauer rear area. The couch over the furnace is now 5' long by 24" wide to make room for the recliner and 18" x 32" table. I borrowed this idea from the PanAmerica model. This table also can be stored.

Also in the picture is KarnDean Luxury Vinyl Plank flooring I installed throughout. Its a major step up from the industrial laminate, and as its LVP its super hard were the dogs cant tear it up.
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jasperkins, really nice job! Like how you kept that bit of couch in there as a short dinette.

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Thanks! We have a baby on the way and wanted to make sure we still had a place to people <5' to sleep :-) the dogs have claimed the couch for now.
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The creative talents and quality of the workmanship is incredible. Thanks to all.

I have spent several hours reading various threads. The AS forum is an amazing source of information. This AS community is influencing our decision to move toward a larger retirement AS trailer from our beloved Bigfoot 21FB. We are not the motor home type. I've got a lot to learn, so I shall keep reading. Again, thanks for helping a 12 year Bigfoot veteran out.
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Apreski, I'm curious -why not a 25' Bigfoot? We had a longtime forum member who bought one and loves it.

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Old 03-16-2014, 06:02 PM   #14
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We do not care for the old 25 RB floor plan. We walked one of the new FB models (Portland) and we're shocked at the downgrade of cabinetry. The exterior fiberglass remains excellent and the closed cell foam insulation is the best in the business. We did locate a 2008 FB model with our solid wood cabinets but We were disappointed in the floor plan. No other new trailer options.

We are impressed with the numerous creative AS designs, but remain very concerned about the poor insulation design. Batt insulation compressed lowers the real R rating, metal skin, etc. The numerous threads regarding cold bedrooms confirm our fears. We love late fall camping in the Canadian and US Rockies........coyotes, moose, elk, even a wolf, very few people. However, we awaken to snow and on occasion hail, but always toasty warm in our Bigfoot 21 foot trailer. I would like something larger which requires a minimum 27 foot AS. (A 21 Bigfoot is the equivalent of a 25 AS...refrig, storage, etc.)

What to do, what to do? Head to sea level with a canopied Airstream?

Seriously, we will continue to study the forum threads to address our "how to enhance the insulation" issues.
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