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Old 01-23-2014, 03:42 PM   #43
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These are recent pictures from our trip to the Canopener Airstream rally at Topsail Hill State Park, FL. This was my second trip after purchasing the Airstream. This time I tried not using the independent friction sway control, I left it loose but still attached. I had no swaying even without using the additional sway offered by the friction bar. The LD hitch is made by Valley using 800 lb trunion bars and chain. People really miss-understand the physics of towing. I recall talking to an old man who had worked on Airstreams telling me this would be a case of the tail wagging the dog. He could not have been more wrong. The right combination is a term quoted by all the experts. In this case I have the power under the hood, the proper size tires, 18 inch, firm, high performance tires, Yokahoma in this case, and one of the stiffest riding suspension in the truck world. This is coil suspension designed to traverse the most irregular off-road terrain out there. I have even driven across the Warrior river (without a bridge) using this truck, all the time taking in water around the doors. We were on a LR dealer guided excursion at an off-road park called Gray Rock.

Upon arriving back in Tuscaloosa I weighed at a CAT scale truck stop and these are my weights:
Steering axle 2200 lb the specs say 2646 lb so I am okay there.
Rear axle 3060 lb . . . the specs say 3793 lb so I am okay there.
The Airstream weighed in at 4680 lb or about 1000 less than with out WD hitch. So around 1000 lb is distributed across the TV.

The MPG is 10-11 but even without towing it is only around 15-16 so it does not drop that much.

Now for the pictures.
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Old 01-24-2014, 09:49 AM   #44
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More photos of the TV hooked to the Flying Cloud

These photos were taken as we were leaving the 2014 Canopener rally at Topsail Hill, FL
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Old 01-24-2014, 09:55 AM   #45
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Very Cool. Thanks for the update. Seeing people set up all manner of tow vehicles for Airstreams is really great to hear about.

So many combinations. So little time!
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Old 01-24-2014, 10:23 AM   #46
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In the late eighties, I had the opportunity to drive a Camel Trophy Disco for a week in the San Juan mountains. This one was equipped with the four cylinder turbo diesel and a five speed manual transmission. I suspect that a lot of references to European Disco TV's refer to the diesel models.

As a hot rodder for 55 years, I have to take issue with posters that say you can't or shouldn't modify a car for better performance, handling or even appearance. It has more to do with legal and liability issues when mfg's say not to use a WD hitch than vehicle capability.
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Old 01-25-2014, 09:55 AM   #47
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Nice setup. I just picked up a Jeep Commander for the same purpose. I like the idea of having a capable SUV while we are out camping- just adds to the fun factor.
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Old 01-25-2014, 01:55 PM   #48
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What do people think of this combination?
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Old 01-25-2014, 02:10 PM   #49
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I wouldn't tow with the DII without a supply of spare headgaskets and a way to extinguish the 3 amigos. Far better vehicles to choose from ( from much Rover experience!)
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Old 01-26-2014, 10:49 PM   #50
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I purchased this Discovery new ten years ago. Neglect and abuse is the primary reason vehicles get a bad rap. My advice to anybody is buy what you want regardless of what people say about it. Follow the recommended 'owners' maintenance and have the shop do what you cannot. You will enjoy it! This has only been in the shop once in ten years. I do the oil and filter changes myself using synthetic oil. There is not another vehicle on the road like it, both in looks and design. (live axles front and rear)
Do not buy a vehicle like this used for you have no way of knowing how well it was maintained or if it was abused. A used off-road truck has the potential of being improperly operated in cases such as getting stuck in mud. Please do not adopt one of these babies and take it home if you are not going to take care of it!
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Old 01-27-2014, 07:41 AM   #51
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Hmmm never heard of an isle product having been in the shop only once. How many miles?
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My personal experience with Land Rovers is that nothing is ever working perfectly, but then again nothing ever breaks badly enough to leave you stranded.
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Old 01-28-2014, 12:07 AM   #53
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This only has 90, 000 miles on it. It has never been my daily ride. When it is your toy and you know it will last you the rest of your life you take care of it. I have been off-road with it a few times. The dealership in Birmingham throws these parties/outings for us ever so often at an off-road course in the state. I remember my wife exclaiming "amazing" over and over as we took a river: down the bank, across to an island, and back up the step rocky bank which we had descended from earlier. I know some people buy a "toy hauler" my toy is my hauler!
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I know every TV has it's limitations. It is like they say. If the TV and the TT weigh about the same it is a pretty good match by size. This 23ft Flying Cloud pairs well with this TV.
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Hi Tom

In theory with its huge overhang to wheel base ratio, likely over 50% the Discovery should be terrible. What saves it is the suspension tuning and the tight tire and wheel combination.

It is normal that the sway control does not make a big difference to driving feel. However if you have to make a quick lane change or get really severe wind blast it does make it easier to control. They are cheap insurance with no real downside.

Your ball mount would be better with some additional rearward angle usually on a Reese you can ajust it back as far as it will go.

If there is room on the shank you could likely redrill it so it moves in a little closer to the back of the tow vehicle, just check your spare tire clearance.

If you find down the road that you want to really improve it another trick is to carry the truck spare in the Airstream carrier because you can run the Airstream on 3 wheels so you do not really need a spare for it. Then you can change to a shank that brings it in much closer.

I hope this helps.

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There are lots of vehicles on the road, and I am glad you like yours.

We have owned two Land Rover products in the past. A Disco and a Range Rover.

While there are a few redeeming qualities, I still consider them to be the worst quality vehicles I have ever owned.

Both had the in service time of a F-22 fighter jet. For every hour on the road, they were both in the shop about 30.


I hope you have better luck.


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