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Old 12-22-2015, 07:00 AM   #15
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Old 12-23-2015, 04:35 PM   #16
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QUOTE=RWills;1725464]Dear New Member,

This fall, my sweetie & I traded-in our 32 ft 5th wheel for an AS, before which we did a lot of reviewing & shopping. Initially, our plan was to buy a FC 23 FB. Eventually, we went to our local dealer, AS Adventures NW, in the Seattle area, & did the whole tour of AS trailers from smallest to largest. While we continued to want a Flying Cloud, we quickly became impressed with how much more spacious a 25 was relative to a 23. Also, we found that the 25 weighed approx. 700 pounds more, which we thought would not result in much effect in its towability. Therefore, our plans for getting a 23 became superseded.

Between the two of us, we've had a number of RVs, from my old 8 ft Lance camper on an F-150 to my sweetie's & her ex-husband's 45 ft Prevost motor coach (at over $1M), so we wanted the next one for both of us to be "our last RV." At that point, we began looking at the 27, the 28, & the 30. The layouts of the latter two didn't work for us, but we found the 27 to have a couple of features we liked: a wrap-around double bed and approx 2 ft more storage area in the kitchen & clothes-closet areas, at an increased weight of approx. 600 lbs.

When our local dealer quoted us a price on the 27, it seemed excessive to me, so I began calling dealers from NJ, through OH & IL, & throughout the west coast. When a dealer in central CA (Toscano RV) gave us a quote on the 27 in the neighborhood of the retail price of a 23 & also offered to buy our 5th wheel at a reasonable price, we thought the drive down to central CA from Seattle was worth saving the $7,000 relative to our local dealer's price for a 27 (and who would take the 5th wheel as a trade-in only at a substantial discount). Thus, we got the AS & an unplanned vacation in central & northern CA, OR, & back home (along with a new AS & no more 5th wheel, thank God --- the smaller AS works much, much better for us than the larger 5th wheel).

I note that you're in AZ, but it sounds as if you'd prefer to buy a used newer AS than a new one. We also shopped for a used 2014-15 FC 27, but the ones we found were only a few $1,000 lower than Toscano's price for the new 2016, so we bit; also, I didn't want to have to go through the process of selling the 5th wheel, which Toscano took off our hands at a price we could live with.

As for the ducted air conditioner, we ran it while in CA, & it didn't seem to be a problem, too noisy, etc.

As for hitching up the AS, at numbers of recommendations, we bought a Blue Ox anti-sway hitch, whose front-end we keep mounted on our truck, although it is large & heavy, which is why I keep it mounted & don't detach it after using the trailer. Once mounted on the truck, hitching it to the trailer & attaching its two anti-sway bars are not a problem; it would also help to have a camera mounted on the tailgate & aimed at the trailer ball, which I'm in the process of installing. I routinely hook the trailer to the ball, but that typically necessitates my getting in & out of the truck a dozen times to get them properly lined up. BTW, as many others told me, driving the pickup with the trailer behind me & hitched through the Blue Ox is indistinguishably different from no trailer at all --- the Blue Ox does its job magnificently, as if the trailer's not there.

Especially if you intend to use the trailer as a couple, I hope you'll give the 25 another look. My best to you two however you choose to proceed.


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Interesting you mentioned the Lancer. That could be our second choice due to cost. But I lean toward AS. Any remarks about Lancer qualities good or bad are appreciated.

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Old 12-23-2015, 04:42 PM   #17
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Thank you all for your helpful comments.
Was driving to southern Cal. So thus delayed reply. I actually drove the Tahoe betwenn 65 to 72 MPH just to see what it woild feel like to go at a slower pace.
The Lancer would not be my first choice but spouse wants to check them out because of cost diffence from the AS.
Keep comments coming.
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Old 12-23-2015, 06:52 PM   #18
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For what it's worth, we went back and forth between the lance and airstream. The deciding factors for us were ducted air, quality of interior finishes, and ceiling height. Having an extra few inches walking through the center of the space really makes a difference. We were looking at the lance 2295, so we definitely had to pay more for an AS but know it will last longer and hold its value much better. Guess everything has a pro / con list, and the hardest part is deciding which set of benefits are most important to you.
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Old 01-09-2016, 09:29 PM   #19
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Where is this AS? Near AZ?
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Old 01-10-2016, 07:20 AM   #20
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We have a 2014 23' D International Serenity. Though we very much like the unit our usage plans have changed due to employment. For two weeks a year usage I will rent. The unit is "as new." The A/C was used once and it is obvious when on. My hearing is horrid but my wife's is near perfect. She says it is about the same as an A/C unit in most highway-side motel rooms.

We have never used the oven, shower, micro wave, hot water/heater. We've camped four times since the summer of 2014 (about 20 days total. ) We stay outside and eat most meals at restaurants. We would sell for $54,000. Good price I think. Bottom line it makes no sense to me to have this unit just to sit in a garage. I wash it more than I use it.
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Towing with a Tahoe should not be a problem assuming you have the proper towing set up and the requisite trailer hitch. Already mentioned in this forum. I prefer safety over "chance" and tow with a 3/4 ton truck/diesel engine. The truck is overkill so if the AS is sold I'll buy a car!!

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