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Old 03-26-2015, 09:03 PM   #771
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Battery question: Can they be removed entirely for purely 30 amp operation? Or does the system require they be part of the loop?
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Old 03-26-2015, 09:58 PM   #772
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It wouldn't be safe to tow without a battery because the breakaway switch would not work (that is the brakes wouldn't work if the AS disconnected from the TV). You can go to one battery which is what we did to save weight/money since we never boondock.


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Old 03-27-2015, 05:23 AM   #773
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Or you can buy a breakaway switch with a self contained battery. Not my choice but it can work. Jim
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Old 03-27-2015, 05:30 PM   #774
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You can remove your battery and power your trailer with the converter and 30 amp service. You need to isolate the positive lead of the battery so it won't short to ground as it will be hot with 12v power at maybe 5 amps. Some Airstreamers have installed battery disconnect switches on their vintage Airstreams as the old style converter can overcharge the battery and "cook" it. This saves disconnecting the battery leads. New style converters don't overcharge batteries.

However you won't have emergency brakes if you tow without a battery as others have said.

Moosetags is heading north to Jackson Center. Safe travels.

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Old 03-27-2015, 08:36 PM   #775
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Interesting. The breakaway switch is a good point. Is one required by law? I suppose the ball could unscrew but otherwise if that breakaway switch deploys, I've probably got bigger problems going on as well. 80lbs up on the tongue might be worth shedding. I have a new AS with a battery disconnect switch, so I'd probably just need to find a way to secure the leads. Thanks for everyone's input.
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Old 03-27-2015, 09:01 PM   #776
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Lucy is back home with another 320 miles under her belt. We will now prepare her for her Northeast Excursion. Our first road trip stop will be Jackson Center.

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Where else in northeast?
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Old 03-27-2015, 09:44 PM   #777
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Hi Scott. The plan after we leave Jackson Center is to head east through New York or Pennsylvania (we haven't decided which yet) over through Vermont and New Hampshire, and into Maine. We'll do around Maine for a few weeks. Then we will make our way south along the east coast, exploring as the mood strikes us.

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Old 03-27-2015, 10:32 PM   #778
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It is interesting how a few more feet can make a big difference in trailer happiness. If the 23' is actually 23', then you have 3 more feet in the 26' long 25'.

We've spent as long as 8 weeks in ours and we did fine. Of course, getting home and having a long shower without having to stay small plus having a king sized bed were great too.

I will probably always have interest in a 27', but 2 feet isn't worth all the money that would cost us. I hope you got a good price for older Lucy's.

A little snow on the ground here and maybe more tonight and tomorrow.

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We started out in a 2005 25 Safari and then "moved up" to a 2010 27FB International. Yes we did enjoy the extra storage space and the Queen walk around bed on the 27FB vs the 48" bed and corner bath on the 25. However, we missed the towing, and easy maneuverability of the 25.

When AS came out with the ducted a/c in 2015 we decided to down-size to the 2015 25FB International. I cannot stress how much we love the new trailer. The only thing I feel we are giving up is closet storage space. The bed orientation and less counter space are non-issues for us.

There are tradeoffs and pros and cons to all the different length Airstreams. We just feel that the 25 is a perfect balance for us.

We are retired half-timers who over-winter in Fl and try to spend at least 1 week per month in our AS the other time of the year.

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Old 03-28-2015, 05:37 AM   #779
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Hi Moosetags,

Lehmans in Kidron Ohio is a cool place to visit and maybe on your route. They have RV parking. They are a one-of-a kind HUGE Amish store with all sorts of non-electric stuff.

Corning Museum of Glass in Corning NY is an outstanding museum with RV parking also.

Steamtown in Scranton PA is neat if you like old trains. It is pretty tight thru there so would only take in the truck.

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Old 03-28-2015, 12:16 PM   #780
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I have read the 56 pages (!) of this thread with interest as we have narrowed our first AS purchase to a Flying Cloud 27 FB twin or a 25 FB twin (or as I call it based upon very similar layout - the "Mini-27"). If the $9-10K price diff were not a major concern (it is a concern but it's going to spread over a good 10 years I'm guessing) what would you buy if you were us?
It's myself, my wife and a black lab. Age 58-60 very fit active and about to retire. We've only been RVing for one year in a 24ft Jayco bumper to hitch but love it hence the move up so fast.
The 25 is 2 ft longer and the 27 is 4ft longer than our stapled together press board Jayco. We've towed horse trailers for years and will have a new GMC3500HD Duramax (up from our 2004 2500).
We've spent hours inside the two units at NW Airstream in Seattle, watched many walk thru videos and have pored over floor plans. I think I've identified every conceivable physical difference between the two units. It's the effect of the differences that I cannot gauge because I lack the live aboard experience of those using this thread.
It seems to me that it comes down to:
- storage - would the 25 be tight and the 27 that much better? The 25 lacks one hanging bed end closet but it has a long roof line cupboard over one bed to offset? Does it off set? Are the narrower drawers between oven and sink wide enough to store stacked dinner plates? Is the foot of the bed space on the 27 useful to have? The pantry and wardrobe mid cabin in the 27 are twice the size as the 25 - is that needed? The counter between sink and stove top is wider - is that needed? Does the end of counter flip up table on the 25 compensate?
- cooking: the 25FB requires a propane oven swap out for a convection microwave to get a microwave (for $900 ish). Never used convection mic - is it useful? If it's useful would a 27 owner do the conversion too and drop the 0.8 cu ft microwave from the slide out pantry? We don't dry camp (yet, I guess).
- towing and parking: does the 27's 2-ft difference (350 lb unloaded weight diff) make a real difference?
Final non-comparison questions:
- is the front outside storage facing the highway speed water spray watertight. The dealer says AS increased the latches from 1 to 2 and uses a thicker rubber seal to reasons to earlier issues.
- the front outside storage is behind the propane tanks. Can you fit a carry golf bag in the door?
All help is much appreciated.
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For us (two humans and two dogs), the 25 is perfect. To me, the main difference in the 27 is that you can get a lengthwise queen bed- and therefore a true walk around bed. But we wanted twins (as you say you do). We have more storage space than we know what to do with. We chose the rear twin because of the unobstructed access to the rear storage compartment.
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Hi Moosetags,

Lehmans in Kidron Ohio is a cool place to visit and maybe on your route. They have RV parking. They are a one-of-a kind HUGE Amish store with all sorts of non-electric stuff.

Corning Museum of Glass in Corning NY is an outstanding museum with RV parking also.

Steamtown in Scranton PA is neat if you like old trains. It is pretty tight thru there so would only take in the truck.

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Thank you for these leads. We're are always looking for exciting things to do while out Airstreaming.

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Old 03-28-2015, 01:24 PM   #783
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We started out with a new 2005 Safari 25FB. That was Old Lucy, and we spent over 1,300 nights in her and towed her 120,000 miles. In 2013, we downsized to a 2012 Flying Cloud 23FB. That was Little Lucy, and we spent 150 nights in her and towed her 15,000 miles. After almost a year in Little Lucy, we decided that we really preferred the 25FB size and layout.

At that point, we seriously considered all of the Airstream floor plans, along with possibly going to a moho. After due consideration, we decided that the 25FB was the best fit for us, with the 27FB a close second. In either case, we had decided on the twin bed configuration to get the additional outside storage capacity. This is a major plus in my opinion.

We took Delivery of New Lucy in October. Even though we have only spent 60 nights in her, and have towed her 5,000 miles, we are very pleased with our choice.

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I have read the 56 pages (!) of this thread with interest as we have narrowed our first AS purchase to a Flying Cloud 27 FB twin or a 25 FB twin (or as I call it based upon very similar layout - the "Mini-27"). If the $9-10K price diff were not a major concern (it is a concern but it's going to spread over a good 10 years I'm guessing) what would you buy if you were us?
It's myself, my wife and a black lab. Age 58-60 very fit active and about to retire. We've only been RVing for one year in a 24ft Jayco bumper to hitch but love it hence the move up so fast.
The 25 is 2 ft longer and the 27 is 4ft longer than our stapled together press board Jayco. We've towed horse trailers for years and will have a new GMC3500HD Duramax (up from our 2004 2500).
We've spent hours inside the two units at NW Airstream in Seattle, watched many walk thru videos and have pored over floor plans. I think I've identified every conceivable physical difference between the two units. It's the effect of the differences that I cannot gauge because I lack the live aboard experience of those using this thread.
It seems to me that it comes down to:
- storage - would the 25 be tight and the 27 that much better? The 25 lacks one hanging bed end closet but it has a long roof line cupboard over one bed to offset? Does it off set? Are the narrower drawers between oven and sink wide enough to store stacked dinner plates? Is the foot of the bed space on the 27 useful to have? The pantry and wardrobe mid cabin in the 27 are twice the size as the 25 - is that needed? The counter between sink and stove top is wider - is that needed? Does the end of counter flip up table on the 25 compensate?
- cooking: the 25FB requires a propane oven swap out for a convection microwave to get a microwave (for $900 ish). Never used convection mic - is it useful? If it's useful would a 27 owner do the conversion too and drop the 0.8 cu ft microwave from the slide out pantry? We don't dry camp (yet, I guess).
- towing and parking: does the 27's 2-ft difference (350 lb unloaded weight diff) make a real difference?
Final non-comparison questions:
- is the front outside storage facing the highway speed water spray watertight. The dealer says AS increased the latches from 1 to 2 and uses a thicker rubber seal to reasons to earlier issues.
- the front outside storage is behind the propane tanks. Can you fit a carry golf bag in the door?
All help is much appreciated.
Oh snap, I better get my replies and rivets up, before anyone notices my posts! Did I say somewhere that in my opinion 25 is the optimum length? That opinion coming from spending 5 years in each, not just sitting in one a for few hours at a dealership....

****Outside storage:
27FB limited to you what can slide between the lp tanks and the front of the trailer. (golf clubs, good luck - 2' ladder was hard enough for me)

25FB side loading, but limited because part of the storage area is being occupied by the converter.

Slight advantage 25FB.... best choice here is the 25FB twin

****Inside storage clothes closets:

27FB double closet in the hall

25FB single closet in hall and shirt closet in the bedroom

advantage 27FB

****Queen bed:
27FB walkaround

25FB semi walkaround

advantage 27FB

****Towing / maneuvering / storage/

Advantage 25FB.

*** Price

Advantage 25FB

You decide.....
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