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Old 02-21-2016, 04:50 AM   #1401
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Last Monday had my dealer install the adjustable vents in our 2015 FC. Yesterday, Saturday went into airstream and three of the vent were on the floor. The trailer had been parked at the house since Monday evening. So I checked all of the vents and with very little effort they were removed. Fortunately saved the original vents which immediately were install new vents are packed and returned to the dealer. END OF MY STORY A perfect fix!
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Old 02-21-2016, 05:21 AM   #1402
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Thanks fpbender, your fix confirmed the significant design defect at play here in my opinion.

Moosetags, have you considered the suggested solution of replacing the axle in the center of the vent with a rivet (with a female threaded interior), screw the plastic base to the ceiling, and attach the silver rotating cover to the plastic base with a truss head machine screw? Some minor work in the shop but this could be a long-term solution IMO.

Do you have a part number for the entire vent assembly? I am curious and may fabricate a modified one just for the heck of it.

Thanks,

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Old 02-21-2016, 08:28 AM   #1403
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Peter,
That would probably work well. The plastic base does not conform to the ceiling because of the rigid housing. By removing it from that housing screwing or gluing would let it conform.
The achilles heal to the vent system is the plastic tab, which has very little overhang to latch over the aluminum. I also imagine the 2016's have a better tolerance opening. My trailer had some very abnormal edges.
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Old 02-22-2016, 07:06 AM   #1404
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Peter,
The part # is 382276-01
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Old 02-22-2016, 10:00 AM   #1405
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Thanks Fred do you remember what you paid per vent? I see $26.95 here:

http://odmrv.com/catalog/index.php?m...oducts_id=1533

Peter

PS -- Great photo in moosetags's Post 910, which suggests (IMO) that the new axle solution would work.

http://www.airforums.com/forums/atta...9&d=1430263054
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Old 02-23-2016, 03:09 AM   #1406
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Vents

Peter That is the correct price.
Those vertical tabs in Moosetags vent picture are the culprit.
They do not have an ample offset at the base to clip in if opening is not dead on. The flat base of the vent is the target area to either glue or attach with a screw.
Hope you find an adequate axle replacement .
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Old 02-23-2016, 06:47 AM   #1407
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An Airstream ceiling has curvature. The plastic base in the photos is dead flat. Unless they put some curvature in the base piece or longer "legs" in the middle of the unit (it then becomes directionally installed), the middle fasteners do not get the same purchase as the ones on the end ends defined as the cross frame sides of the device.

This is very similar to the Classic florescent tube light fixtures being installed cross frame and slightly bending the fixture upwards in the middle which put pressure on the plastic lenses in the middle in the cross frame axis causing them to crack. Simple solution was to sand a slight curve on each end of the lenses to fit the middle of the shoulders of the fixture.

Trying to sand the edge of the round fixture slightly thinner on opposing sides might allow the center "legs" to chance to catch.

Folks dropping over $125K are not pleased to have the air vents falling out and yet the factory is seeming to treating this problem with "ignornotion" (my mother's favorite word) in the hopes it will go away.
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Old 02-23-2016, 10:16 AM   #1408
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This morning I went vent by vent in our 2015 27' EB twin (dual ACs) to see if any vents were at risk of falling. The directional vents were factory installed in April 2015. All nine of them require considerable force to pull off, and putting them back involves a fairly substantial series of "clicks" all the way around the circumference of the cent. All eight tabs seem to be engaged, but it is hard to tell for sure. I don't have calipers, but the holes in the aluminum seem to be exactly 5" in diameter - same as Moosetags. I compared the tabs on my vents to the pictures of others' appearing in this thread, and they are identical. So, I am at a loss to explain why our vents seem to be installed more securely than others. Joe
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Old 02-23-2016, 10:34 AM   #1409
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Thanks Fred, switz and Joe.

I have a plan which will accommodate the curvature of the ceiling -- washers between the flat plastic base and the ceiling (where needed), and if possible aircraft nuts behind the ceiling to accept the stainless machine screws which will attach the plastic base (only) to the ceiling. This assumes that one can reach up through the plastic base (which has been separated from the silver rotating cover, as I believe is possible) to hold the nuts in place. Alternatively, the plastic base will simply be screwed to the ceiling with stainless flat-head sheet metal screws (with the same spacer washers to bridge the base/ceiling gaps, as needed). If there is room, these mounting screws could maybe be round head to avoid splitting out the plastic base? TBD

moosetags's photo linked recently suggests IMO that the above will work -- after the center shaft/axle is removed and a female-internally-threaded rivet is set in the plastic base's existing center hole, to receive a new threaded machine screw (bolt) shaft. The weak link here I think is that the new threaded shaft will tend to vibrate out on the road, so it will need some way of preventing this. [There is no way to get an aircraft nut behind (above) the vent assembly, and Loctite etc. is problematic if the shaft ever needs to be removed.]

A longer machine screw would take a long time to vibrate out IMO, so if there is room inside the duct above, a 2" (say) bolt should work. Or a washer(s) between the silver cover and the plastic base, which would require tightening things up temporarily so that the silver cover cannot rotate. Once again -- TBD.

I will order a vent and give it a go . . . [edit -- register has been ordered via Priority Mail]

Thanks again for the feedback,

Peter

PS -- As I hope is obvious, the plastic tabs sticking up into the duct opening will be irrelevant after this new procedure, except to center the vent (register is the correct name, really) in the duct opening.
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Old 02-26-2016, 07:52 AM   #1410
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Prior to taking any more drastic action regarding New Lucy's air conditioning vents, I have sent another email regarding this issue to Daniel Snider at Airstream Customer Support in Jackson Center.

Here is a copy of my email:

"Hi Daniel,

I am contacting you again to see if Airstream has come up with an effective fix for the falling down for the falling down air conditioning registers. I have tried bending out the plastic tabs. This has no effect on keeping the registers in the ceiling.

This issue has been heavily discussed on Airforums. Many owners are having this problem. Some have returned the new directional vents to dealers in favor of the OEM screen vents. I am so frustrated by this issue that I am thinking about reinstalling my OEM vents. I purchased my directional vents from the Service Center in Jackson Center last April.

The falling vents over the kitchen sink area keeps putting nicks in the kitchen counter.

Regards,

Brian McCabe
Santa Rosa Beach. Florida"

I sent this email out on February 23rd. I will report on any response.

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Brian, I just picked up the new vent register at the PO, and it looks like my "new axle" fix is going to work. I still have to order the rivets with an internal female thread, as the local hardware store no longer stocks them. Plus about an hour in the shop. Will advise in a few days.

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As I suspected, the existing shaft is basically one big rivet-like assembly, and drilling out the back end (where the red ballpoint pen is) should free up the entire shaft, to be removed entirely.

The new rivet with the female internal thread will then be riveted to the plastic base, using the existing hole, and the fix should come together per previous posts, from what I can see.

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If this works well, you may be able to sell the idea to Airstream as they don't seem able to come up with a fix on their own.

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Their glass navel is dusty so they can not see the problem.....or a solution.
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