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Old 08-03-2012, 05:10 AM   #15
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The talk about the water system it being a closed loop is correct.

An expantion tank would solve the problem. They are installed now in a home, when a hot water tank is changed out for this very reason.

On my prior comment about the regulator. Some of these devices have a bypass in them to relief exess pressure. The don't completly seal the water system. So you don't need the expantion tank.

An acumulator is a different animal. Its place in service to prevent the pulses from the pump. But, I guess it could serve the same purpuse. The expantion tank has an air bladder in it. The accumulator tank does not.
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Old 08-03-2012, 07:25 AM   #16
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All new AS have built in pressure regulators, so unless it is stuck I cannot see that as the problem. The regulator is built into the hose fillup from shore power. Did you check up the water line passed the filter to see if all the connections are snug.? Under the sink. Water heater is too hot, check as has been noted for air bubble. Turn it off and then run lots of water to see if that helps. Then tiun it on and watch it from a few feet. Hopes that helps .These things can be a real pain in the butt at times. Take it sloww and easyy! Jim
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Try not to let this ruin your trip. Neither of these leaks should do that. I f an easy fix is not there, put it to the back of your mind and give yourself some time to enjoy. The when you get home attack the problem any way you think is necessary. This is not life threatening, just another problem you have to solve. Do what you can because that is all you can do. Life is what it is, and so is owning an AS. Good luck trying to solve yor problems. Jim
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Old 08-03-2012, 07:53 AM   #18
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As for the new combo electric/propane water heater running so hot, I shut the electric off every night with the switch in the bathroom. Stops that nighttime belch of water out the relief valve.

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Collimare we feel your pain. We purchased a new '09 International in 2010 and had nothing but leaks! Got fed up and took it to JC where they took great care in locating all the leaks and then some. From There on out, we were leak free and much less frustrated. If you have the time, my suggestion is to take it to JC and get them fixed properly, we spent four days there.
We loved our 'stream, but health concerns forced our sale. i would buy another one in a heartbeat....hopefully in the future. And I would buy new again.
Once your problems are fixed, all will be well and I promise, you will enjoy your AS for a long time.
Buyers remorse is the pits....
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This is the third trip where we have not had to winterize the trailer so the hot water tank would be air relieved. After reading the posts I turned the hot water on for few seconds and then turned the main water back all. Everything has stopped leaking at this point. This is another bad design in my opinion. The trailer should not develop leaks during normal use (several different parks in a row) under any conditions. What if the leak was behind the wall or somewhere otherwise unaccessable?

If I install an accumulator what is the going to do for the frequent winterizings we do. Is the accumulator a tank or bellows? Can it be completely winterized with normal procedures?

What about leaving a small stream of cold water running while the hot water tank is going through initial heating?

What about installing a separate pressure valve that would vent water through a hose to the ground to prevent over pressurization? This seems to me to be the best solution and one the factory could install!!

These repeated “design” issues should not be happening (ATS failures, batteries over charging, water leaks springing forth etc.)!

Why are they because the Airstream community is allowing it!!

Some of the issues can be address with replacement parts or they can be simply prevented with foreknowledge.

On other forums there are what are called “Stickies” that are permanent and stay at the top of the forum threads.

I would like to see a permanent post/thread started that covers new trailer issues. Why not make everyone aware of the issues so they can be addressed and/or prevented each to his own level of comfort replacing parts or just knowing not to use all electric appliances at once, or leaving the trailer plugged in all the time, or relieving the water pressure while the hot water heating is coming up to temperature, that the tires/lug nuts are crappy, knowing that the tank monitors are likely not to work when you buy it, etc. etc..

Most of my problems could have been prevented, perhaps that way I am not so mad and ready just get rid of it. It does not resolve the fact that the quality sucks and there are major design deficiencies in my new 60k trailer but it might have helped with my disposition.

Why can we not through this web site put pressure on the factory instead of ignoring or fighting to keep it all quiet with repeated ugly comments to those of us who bring the issues out.
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Old 08-03-2012, 10:30 AM   #21
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The electric/propane water heater thing is not unique to Airstream. I got the tip on keeping a "bubble" of air in it and shutting off the electric function at night from a high-end fifth wheel guy. He had same water heater and same problem.

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Again a thread has degraded to bitching instead of solving. Ensuring there is expansion space for the water system in the hot water heater is no more a voodoo ritual than raising the stabilizers before hitting the road. And takes less time.

If you have a new combo electric/propane hot water heater, add it to your check list. If it's too much for you, leave the electric function switch off and use propane.

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There is nothing, I repeat nothing, I should be able to do as a consumer within the normal operating conditions of a product that causes a failure. I should be able to use the electrical appliances provided with the product and not expect it to burn up an electrical component leaving the product with no power. At the most it should trip a breaker that can be reset. I should be able to pull into a park hook up electric turn on the provided electrical appliances and not have my product spring leaks everywhere because the design does not allow for normal expansion in the water system. I need to put an air bubble into the hot water tank, remember to burp it periodically while it is heating up or not use it in the electric mode because it will damage the internal water lines. This is some of the most stupid stuff I have ever read pertaining to the defense of a product in my life.

Let me repeat for a third time I should be able to use the product as provided without fear of it destroying itself. REALLY!!

Perhaps I should remind everyone that the tires are only rated for 65 miles an hour. They should not at any time be driven higher speeds regardless of higher allowed speed limits.

You should not open the bathroom mirror for fear of the hinges failing during normal use.

Now there is a rant.

I am beginning to understand why I get private emails from concerned individuals who have been banned from posting due to complaining/ranting!

I guess I am next.
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Howard, you won't get banned for bitching because that makes more space for advertising. But it does wear me down when I or others try to help.

I'll probably be the one banned for trying to get to a solution, which never seems to satisfy you.

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I guess I am next.
I thought I had an articulate response of a similar nature... it was deleted without explanation...

Oh well... no complaints here. My Airstream is so leak-proof they use it as a back-up capsule for the International Space Station. It is so perfect they measure otherwise imperceptible flaws in diamonds with it. Really, I recommend people buy them sight unseen and pay double the asking price - they are THAT much better than anything else out there. I am getting a 3rd line of credit on my house just to buy another one.
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Howard, you won't get banned for bitching because that makes more space for advertising. But it does wear me down when I or others try to help.

I'll probably be the one banned for trying to get to a solution, which never seems to satisfy you.

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Because your recommendations are fixes... not solutions. A solution prevents the problem from occurring... a fix doesn't address the underlying issue.

Lots of us are replacing floors, getting frames welded... that is a fix. The solution is a properly spec'd frame/floor that can hold up it's own weight.

No one is taking issue with your helpful tips - and they ARE helpful - but it's like the old Dr's joke... "Dr.... it hurts when I bend my knee like this.... Then don't bend your knee like that..."
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Again a thread has degraded to bitching instead of solving.
Yes this is an unfortunate trend of late and many here are tired of it. Not the staff, but the members. We receive more complaints about threads of this nature than most others combined. We also receive far more positive comments back than negative ones when threads of this type are dealt with. Most people simply want to be informed, not mired in arguments.

Doug, your posts to this thread appear to be slanted toward solving the issue rather than ill accomplished ranting. This is what we're about and we can tell you all that most members appreciate your effort.

As to the comments about being banned. No one participating in this thread is getting banned for it. I realize this is contrary to the private emails reference, which should for all practical purposes be a non-factor. When members resort to "behind the scenes" communications and posting invisibly then one should consider their motive.

This isn't "Happy Land" where milk and honey flow and no one disagrees. On the contrary, we expect spirited dialog and as such, the occasional disagreement. Likewise we expect members to address others in the same manner they expect to be addressed. If you like being rude, or disruptive I will tell you that Airforums isn't the place for you. You may be the one's sending all the private communications and attempting disrupt what should be a satisfying experience for others.

Folks, mistakes are made in fabrication, substandard parts exist, and component failures (premature and service related) occur. This is something we hope to avoid as consumers, but when it does occur we want to know about it. This forum is not a bully pulpit to rail against ANY vendor, or product. This forum can be your mechanism for sharing this information (good and bad) so others can learn, but the rants, rude replies and questioning of staff actions stop now!

Unfortunately this thread, like others preceding it is closed.
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