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Old 06-19-2016, 07:14 PM   #1023
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You have it right Marty. Bob [CruizinDux] and I discussed this last fall and posted photos. Stand by for the Post numbers. It is also described in the owner's manual.

See Posts 408 and 411 for photos. Bob had his dealer rework his valves as the slope was fighting gravity in some spots, and there are later posts with photos also.

If the dealer did not open these valves when winterizing you are lucky not to have any burst pipes IMO.

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Old 06-19-2016, 07:44 PM   #1024
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Might the explanation be that the valves were opened to empty the pipes, then closed again in order for antifreeze to remain in the pipes?
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Old 06-19-2016, 07:50 PM   #1025
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Yes that would make sense. Bob and I did not use antifreeze at all (except in the drain traps), so I was not thinking along those lines.
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Old 06-20-2016, 12:35 AM   #1026
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Might the explanation be that the valves were opened to empty the pipes, then closed again in order for antifreeze to remain in the pipes?

Marty, I agree. probably closed again by the dealer as a manner of GP (assuming no AF was used) ....or for sure by the dealer if they used antifreeze. The by pass in that latter instance would also be close to keep the AF out of the WH itself. It is drained separately, although when pushing air for winterization I would often alternate open/closed to get all the moisture out that I could. Probably overkill. Like my contractors always say to me..." owner builder, over builder".

I think you're on track for the ID. white is the cold supply and red is the hot distribution. If you remove the few screws and pull off the plywood panel you'll see the whole picture and confirm that they in fact drop down thru the sub floor. Our (2014) valves on the WH connection (back flow probably and diverter are a little different) but in total serve to isolate the WH and push water down and out during winterization.

As noted y Peter, check out my original post of 408 (page 30) and Peter's on 411 as his were slightly different (and newer). My posts; 566 & 567 are after the dealer replaced the LP drains and even used a 3rd style (90 vs in line which are even better IMO) ...also reworked the plumbing a bit so it all flows down hill (aided by a nose down attitude) when pushing water to the front LP drains.

When I removed the plywood seat panel I was able to put the camera forward almost n the front storage under the bed and got a great perspective of what connects to what. Post some pics if it would help with the ID. Get a small line level and low spot/uphills will be obvious.


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Old 06-20-2016, 05:43 AM   #1027
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Might the explanation be that the valves were opened to empty the pipes, then closed again in order for antifreeze to remain in the pipes?
Yes, those are the low point drains.
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Old 06-20-2016, 12:13 PM   #1028
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Anybody had any problem with the seals staying in place when opening the cover?

I noticed after the SD trip, this one of the 2 had come off and was drooping on one side This trip, both have come off (held loosely in place by the cover)

After SD I applied generous amounts of the Aerospace protectant (Silicone) and that helped when opening them (they were binding). Being on the roof, it was quite the challenge working on these and can't see doing the protectant that often. I'll climb up this weekend and am thinking of small amounts of silicone sealant in the ribbed groove of the seal to keep it attached to plastic curbs of the FF top.

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as noted earlier, I'm reluctant to apply any adhesive in the groove (in the curb) to adhere to the ribbed bottom edge of the seal inserted into the curb as it may preclude replacement down the road. I think I'll call FF to see what they have to say. Their website discusses (in general) the seal issue in their FAQ but offers no solution.

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Old 06-20-2016, 02:35 PM   #1029
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Thanks for the heads up. Our seals seem OK, at least from below I don't see any loose parts of the seals sticking up.

The Fan-tastic Vent instruction booklet says to contact them if the seal is damaged, so they should be able to help. 800 521-0298

They recommend a water-based protectant like 303 for the inner rib of the dome which sits on the rubber seal. And a silicon product AK-1000 to be put on the top of the seal.

I finally figured out how to remove the Pop N' Lock screen. As the instructions say, the first time pulling down on the finger tab is difficult, but once you see how the retaining tabs are arranged on the hidden back of the screen ring, you can help the plastic ring get free more easily. The first tug feels like you are going to break the screen ring for sure.

I am going to put some 303 on the bottom of the domes right now. [ edit -- NG -- hands are too big to reach up through my the fan blades to do this. Will pass on roof work for now. ]

Thanks again for the heads up, Bob!

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Old 06-20-2016, 09:36 PM   #1030
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Thanks for the heads up. Our seals seem OK, at least from below I don't see any loose parts of the seals sticking up.

The Fan-tastic Vent instruction booklet says to contact them if the seal is damaged, so they should be able to help. 800 521-0298

They recommend a water-based protectant like 303 for the inner rib of the dome which sits on the rubber seal. And a silicon product AK-1000 to be put on the top of the seal.

I finally figured out how to remove the Pop N' Lock screen. As the instructions say, the first time pulling down on the finger tab is difficult, but once you see how the retaining tabs are arranged on the hidden back of the screen ring, you can help the plastic ring get free more easily. The first tug feels like you are going to break the screen ring for sure.

I am going to put some 303 on the bottom of the domes right now. [ edit -- NG -- hands are too big to reach up through my the fan blades to do this. Will pass on roof work for now. ]

Thanks again for the heads up, Bob!

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before I forget looking at Google Maps Hither Hills looks like a great beach stay!

I climbed up and used the 303 on both the dome and the seal when I summerized in April for Beachside. Either the arm/roller was binding or the seal was sticking as I could not open it electrically without it reversing closed after a few seconds. Part of the seal was out of the groove.

Thanks for the tips and contact info. I think I'll dig out the FF instructions. How could I have missed it

This time I didn't notice it until we were on our way home.

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Old 06-21-2016, 05:12 AM   #1031
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OT -- Yup Montauk is a great location. Ditch Plains is one of the premier breaks on the East Coast, with a bit of a rocky reef jutting out for mainly lefts. This webcam needs cleaning, but I think it is aimed right at the break when pointed to the left (not the angle with stairs to the beach).

http://www.beachlive.com/beach-weath...h-plains_24618

When we surfed Ditch in the mid-1960's (not a typo) we were usually the only ones there. We would drive out and sleep in vans in the woods at the tops of the cliffs nearby, where today dozens of multi-million dollar homes are. Like Blacks before houses if you can imagine that!

Oh -- "Time" to post a new song on the OTRA Music II thread I guess . . . plus some good road songs on the first thread.

Good luck with the vent seals, Bob.

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Well, I just pulled that 20 footer of mine all across the west and it was great. Gets a little crowded with two people but was fun to have a friend from home with me a couple of weeks. Had no problems at all, Vinnie pulled like a draft horse and Boomer just followed along. Back home, a few weeks trip to France and then back on the road. Worked on a horse ranch for a few weeks, got bucked off a couple of times, met some wonderful people and will be doing that again in the fall. Lots of posts here since I visited but glad this thread is still active. Love Boomer. Found having two generators very helpful while the umbilical cord was not hooked. As the Doobie Brothers would say----Got those highway blues, can't you hear my motor runnin'
Flyin' down the road with my foot on the floor
All the way in town they can hear me comin'
Ford's about to drop, she won't do no more
And i smell my motor burnin'
Underneath the hood is smoke
Can't stop, and i can't stop
Got to keep on movin' or i'll lose my mind
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Old 06-22-2016, 04:49 AM   #1033
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Well, I just pulled that 20 footer of mine all across the west and it was great.
. . .
Thanks for the great news. Glad it is all working out, as it was not too long ago that Kitty Feet was asking about the FC20 model here!

I posted that Doobie Brothers's tune on the OTRA Music thread. A great road song . . . for sure . . . Rockin' Down The Highway . . . yes . . .

BTW "China Grove" comes up next on YouTube. Another good one.

Have fun in France!

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PS -- Check out the homemade video with the DB YouTube.

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OT -- Yup Montauk is a great location. Ditch Plains is one of the premier breaks on the East Coast, .......

When we surfed Ditch in the mid-1960's (not a typo) we were usually the only ones there. We would drive out and sleep in vans in the woods at the tops of the cliffs nearby, where today dozens of multi-million dollar homes are. Like Blacks before houses if you can imagine that!

Oh -- "Time" to post a new song on the OTRA Music II thread I guess . . . plus some good road songs on the first thread.

Good luck with the vent seals, Bob.

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In those days were the broads still balsa or had fiberglass been discovered?

Surfing road trips...compared to today, hard to believe how virgin is was. Blacks for sure. I remember standing on the cliffs above when there were only a few houses. I never climbed down nor made the hike from the cove, but many did.

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Old 06-22-2016, 11:07 AM   #1035
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Good luck with the vent seals, Bob.

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You mentioned :The Fan-tastic Vent instruction booklet" I only have a 1 page 2 sided piece in my paperwork, and it is more for installation. No mention of the AK-1000.

I called F-V yesterday and they were very helpful. She was to email me some info (not yet received). Interesting though, they suggested "all in one" glue in select spots to keep it tacked down. Super glue was an option. SG is what they use at the seal joint/connection on the hinge end.

I googled AK-100 and mostly found references to "Barrels". She said that any water borne granite sealer is the same thing. It makes granite very slick and does the same for the seals. Reading the 303 label it sounds like it is more of a UV protection product...hence their instruction to use it on the dome (and fan and screen) and the AK on the seal

their website has a FAQ

http://www.fantasticvent.com/fan-tastic-vent-s-faq.html

At the bottom is a downloadable cleaning document. CS also suggested cleaning with denatured alcohol prior to treatment.

I'll take that queue and get some water based granite sealer locally.

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Actually Bob there were no broads on the beach back then.



I had one of the first 'glas boards made on Long Island, a Hawke 9' 6" made by Bob Hawkins one of the surfing pioneers in this area. RIP I believe.

Dashing off to Hither Hills SP for another two nights as we lucked out again on the waiting list early this morning!

Will post some ocean shots later.

Happy Trails to all -- Yee Haaaaa -- we are OTRA!

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