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10-26-2016, 04:30 PM
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#1381
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Rivet Master
2014 20' Flying Cloud
Sag Harbor
, New York
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 17,523
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CruizinDux
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Started limited driving around town last Sunday Huge milestone!
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Great news! Now that you are on the road again, it might be a good time for some new songs on the OTRA One thread?
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10-26-2016, 10:34 PM
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#1382
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1 Rivet Member
2014 20' Flying Cloud
Pocatello
, Idaho
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OTRA15
Peg you can use a cordless electric drill. All you need is an adapter to go from the drill's chuck to the correct size socket. If you already have a socket set, you should have the right size for the trailer's jacks [ours is 3/4" but check yours]. Depending on whether you have a 1/2" or 3/8" socket set, you should also buy (if needed) an extension to go from the drill adapter to the socket you use. A 6" extension should be fine IMO.
If you need to buy a socket set, I would go for a 1/2" drive, as it is heavier duty, and you can use the 1/2" "breaker bar" for the lug nuts/bolts on the trailer's wheels, followed by the 1/2" ratchet for quicker action.
How long ago was your surgery? I had both shoulders done many years ago, and they both are fine now!
Good luck.
Peter
PS -- Did you find out if the low pressure propane port will work with you dual 2000 gen setup? Curious for my own information. Thanks.
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I also use a cordless drill with a socket. Makes life easier, easier is better.
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10-26-2016, 10:53 PM
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#1383
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Rivet Master
2019 23' International
La Habra
, California
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 1,019
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Ditto, I use a cordless as well
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10-27-2016, 05:01 AM
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#1384
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Rivet Master
2016 23' International
Centennial
, Colorado
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 1,684
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Peter,
I purchased my Tyron's from the dealer where I bought the Airstream (LazyDays). I don't know if any other Airstream dealers are selling them or not but it might be worth a check.
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10-28-2016, 10:19 PM
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#1385
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Rivet Master
2014 20' Flying Cloud
Washington
, Missouri
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 2,591
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OTRA15
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BTW I seem to recall reading that the Michelin Rib tires are more of a road tire for summer heat conditions, and that the compound gets harder in colder weather, with a resulting loss in pliability and traction. Maybe not the best choice for your neck of the woods? I remember posting a quote from the Michelin specs many months ago on this, but don't have time to find it now.
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Peter
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Peter Skip (Phoenix forwarded me this link
http://www.airforums.com/forums/f42/...ml#post1358880
A good snow thread. His posts re XPS's are 19 ( and link contained) & 21
On a separate old tire discussion somewhat wandering thread: I groaned when he forwarded http://www.airforums.com/forums/f465/16-wheels-lt-tires-69297-7.html#post944334. I thought 69 pages of tire opinions and as vitriolic as they can be sometimes…especially when it comes to ST vs LT. However this is a great thread (I started at his post on 7 and made it thru 4 or 5 more pages so far) and I found the tire pressure discussion very interesting. Hoping I don't find anything that could change my current Nokian direction!!!
Happy trails everyone and have a great weekend
bob
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10-29-2016, 04:39 AM
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#1386
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Rivet Master
2014 20' Flying Cloud
Sag Harbor
, New York
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 17,523
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Thanks Steve, I never heard back from the Tyron factory rep so I will call them next week to locate an installer.
Thanks Bob, too busy here to wade through more tire threads, but if you could sum up any bullet points about tire pressure and the Rib/XPS/ST/LT tread issues, that would be very helpful. You have the helm.
We are also headed in the 15" Nokian direction, I think. Took a day trip yesterday to dump the tanks at a local county CG, have lunch by the water [*], and get our NYS Inspection updated at a nearby garage, which can swap out new tires if we get them.
Keep it simple . . .
The other shop that inspected our bearings and brakes last month did emphasize the importance of keeping the ST tires' inflation precise, for every day's ambient temperature, as crucial to preventing blowouts. This is something most people do not do, which I suspect is part of the GYM blowout problem. If ST tire pressure is set on a cold day, and months later the weather is hot, and the tires get even hotter, that is a recipe for a blowout, he said. Even 5 PSI too high is NG.
Thanks again for any summary bullet points you can post about the various tire types and why you may be headed toward the 15' Nokian solution.
Peter
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* See View From AS Door thread.
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10-29-2016, 05:13 AM
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#1387
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Rivet Master
2014 20' Flying Cloud
Sag Harbor
, New York
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 17,523
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PS -- The following Tire Pressure on the Road thread just popped up on the side bar. A good discussion about checking tire pressure early every day on the road, due to ambient temperature changes.
http://www.airforums.com/forums/f438...ad-157864.html
If the perceived inadequacy of the GYM ST tires is due in part to imprecise tire pressures (esp. on the high side, and esp. on hot travel days), then I feel a bit more comfortable keeping our GYM tires at least for local trips during cooler weather.
FWIW
Stay safe!
Peter
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10-29-2016, 10:13 PM
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#1388
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Rivet Master
2014 20' Flying Cloud
Washington
, Missouri
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 2,591
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OTRA15
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BTW I seem to recall reading that the Michelin Rib tires are more of a road tire for summer heat conditions, and that the compound gets harder in colder weather, with a resulting loss in pliability and traction. Maybe not the best choice for your neck of the woods? I remember posting a quote from the Michelin specs many months ago on this, but don't have time to find it now.
Cheers, Peter
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Peter here is the link re XPS in the snow from Phoenix's post
http://www.airforums.com/forums/f438...ml#post1115125
in part"....We towed our 19-foot Bambi in subfreezing weather (around +5 degrees F) in a blinding snow storm; roadway was new packed snow over ice. I did not notice any unusual loss of traction."
Note I have no interest in snow driving with a TT except as required by emergency weather circumstances.
Actually they're third in my line up with Nokian's first and the LTX "E's" as a second choice
Bob
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11-11-2016, 12:37 PM
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#1389
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3 Rivet Member
2023 27' Globetrotter
w.springfield
, Massachusetts
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 124
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Well after 2 years of following this thread ,its time to say good bye 😕the little bunk has won ,we lost .ha! so its trade in for a 25 foot .I really will miss the 20 as it was our first rv of any kind . But after several club events sitting with new friends in their larger kitchen /lounge areas ; we knew we needed to up size .I still feel a 20 is a great deal if we younger or maybe a little slimmer 😝 just me not my little DW !! It really feels Like a solid trailer that will stay that way for years to come .happy trails to all in the 20 foot community .will see you down the road
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11-12-2016, 12:24 AM
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Rivet Master
2014 20' Flying Cloud
Sag Harbor
, New York
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 17,523
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Congratulations on the move up! What floor plan are you getting? We had a 25' rear corner bed, way back when, and also appreciated the added space for lounging and so forth. Will you have to upgrade your tow vehicle?
Happy Trails!
Peter
PS and thanks for starting this thread!
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11-12-2016, 12:29 AM
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#1391
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Rivet Master
2014 20' Flying Cloud
Sag Harbor
, New York
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 17,523
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CruizinDux
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Actually they're third in my line up with Nokian's first and the LTX "E's" as a second choice
Bob
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Thanks Bob for the informative post. Sorry, I thought I had replied weeks ago, but now see the omission! Hope your recovery is going well, and that you are driving again, and able to do some basic work on the trailer. We winterized everything, except for the pump, last week, as a light frost is forecast for this weekend. Still can't figure out why folks feel the need for AF in the supply pipes which have been emptied by air alone.
"To air is human . . . " ???
Cheers,
Peter
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11-12-2016, 05:54 AM
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#1392
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Rivet Master
2016 23' International
Centennial
, Colorado
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 1,684
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Mazoolah....congratulations on your upgrade and many happy trails to you. Also, thanks very much for starting this amazing thread. Maybe one day we will get to grow up into our own sub-forum and we will have you to thank. Have you sold your 20 footer yet?
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11-12-2016, 06:49 PM
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Rivet Master
2014 20' Flying Cloud
Washington
, Missouri
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 2,591
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Mazoolah....Congrats as well on the new rig.. and many happy trail on those blue highways! Thanks you too for starting this thread. The vast experience with the 20;s has helped immensely with my learning curve.
Bob
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11-12-2016, 06:59 PM
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#1394
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Rivet Master
2014 20' Flying Cloud
Washington
, Missouri
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 2,591
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OTRA15
Thanks Bob for the informative post. Sorry, I thought I had replied weeks ago, but now see the omission! Hope your recovery is going well, and that you are driving again, and able to do some basic work on the trailer. We winterized everything, except for the pump, last week, as a light frost is forecast for this weekend. Still can't figure out why folks feel the need for AF in the supply pipes which have been emptied by air alone.
"To air is human . . . " ???
Cheers,
Peter
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No prob, not every thing needs a response. Thanks, recovery continues even though the current PT is the hardest and most painful to date...progress is good....still have he penguin walk tho. We are prepping for short 2 day trip down to 7-Feathers Casino. 100 miles S, a great park, good food at he casino and a heated indoor pool and Jacuzzi...time for some R&R.
Then it's winterization time until a week in Pismo after the first of the year Can't wait, I haven't been to see Blue since late August. Drop the batteries in and hit the road.
Happy trails everyone.
bob.
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11-18-2016, 04:11 PM
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#1395
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Rivet Master
2019 23' International
La Habra
, California
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 1,019
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Quote:
Originally Posted by subfan1
Rear window modification.
Ok I finally made the time to meet with C&G Airstream in Bellflower Ca today and he is going to order the parts required to install the curb side arm on the rear window on our 2012 to prop it up so I won't have to use my bike handle foam pads. I'll report back when it is finished. He had given me an estimate of 125 to do the job, everything included. I'll also have the wheel bearings packed at the same time while there.
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Hi everyone, I wanted to update the thread with what I thought was going to be a good idea but, not going to happen. It makes no sense but here it goes. Apparently Airstream contacted C&G and wanted to know why they were ordering only one window extension. Rod explained I wanted done and Airstream said not to do it because the rear window is a emergency exit and therefore the window can't be limited by the extension even though the new 20 ft models have the extensions. Rod didn't want to do the modification due to liability issues. Oh well, I'll continue to use the bike handle bar foam guards to prop that darn rear window open. I tried
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11-19-2016, 04:48 AM
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#1396
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Rivet Master
2007 20' Safari
Old Orchard Beach
, Maine
Join Date: Sep 2014
Posts: 509
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Rear emergency exit window over sink
Quote:
Originally Posted by subfan1
Hi everyone, I wanted to update the thread with what I thought was going to be a good idea but, not going to happen. It makes no sense but here it goes. Apparently Airstream contacted C&G and wanted to know why they were ordering only one window extension. Rod explained I wanted done and Airstream said not to do it because the rear window is a emergency exit and therefore the window can't be limited by the extension even though the new 20 ft models have the extensions. Rod didn't want to do the modification due to liability issues. Oh well, I'll continue to use the bike handle bar foam guards to prop that darn rear window open. I tried
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It seems to me that a partial solution would be to install hinges at the top of the rear window, rather than just the factory design of the window merely hanging, but not hinged at the top. I recognize that the design is for the window to drop off and away in an escape emergency, but in every other circumstance, when ventilation is desired, having that window hinged so it can be safely blocked open, such as by a foam swimming "noodle" or foam handle bar guards, as described above, having the window NOT fall away is important. An inner screen that is movable could then be placed over the window opening, perhaps held in place by magnetic strips on the screen and mounted around the window frame. All this would preserve the full-range opening of the emergency exit, while making the window practical and safe for ventilation while the trailer is parked.
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Old Orchard Beach, Maine
Trailer name: Quarantina
2019-2022 President, Northeast Mountaineers Airstream Club
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11-19-2016, 05:31 AM
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Rivet Master
2016 23' International
Centennial
, Colorado
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 1,684
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On the newer 20FC model the emergency exit is one of the large windows over the dinette. Is there a way to modify yours so that you use one of those windows as the emergency exit? I can't imagine having to use the one behind the kitchen sink as an emergency exit. There is no way I could get up and out of that window. Just a thought.
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11-19-2016, 07:38 AM
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Rivet Master
2019 23' International
La Habra
, California
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 1,019
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Yes the window over the dinette is also an emergency exit. My wife and I could probably not be able to exit through the rear window either. It sounds like Airstream decided not to use the rear window as an emergency exit on the newer 20 foot models?
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11-19-2016, 07:59 AM
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Rivet Master
2016 23' International
Centennial
, Colorado
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 1,684
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That's correct. On the newer models the window over the kitchen sink has arms to open it and stay open. There must be a way to add arms for those of you who want them. If there were an emergency, you wouldn't be able to easily get up and over the kitchen sink, faucet etc... and out that small window. I say modify it the way you want and enjoy the breeze.
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11-19-2016, 09:16 AM
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Rivet Master
2014 20' Flying Cloud
Sag Harbor
, New York
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 17,523
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Our rear window is hinged on top, so if necessary you could order a pair of operator arms and only use one IMO. A new screen frame with slots would also have to be ordered, or the existing one routed out for the left operator arm. The private AS shop we went to a couple of months ago also said AS would not sell him just one operator arm. There is more than one way to skin a cat IMO. Aren't the rear operator arms the same length as the side ones, with the same mounting base plates?
I might remove a left operator arm from a side window, and check its fit at the rear window.
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