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Old 02-21-2016, 07:48 AM   #547
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CanonFan,

Our 2014 FC20 freezer interior, looking from the front of the appliance, is:

17" left to right
6" high
8 1/4" back to front

These are clear interior dimensions, and you could slide one such rectangular solid box into the freezer space, that is, no doors or hinges are in the way.

YMMV -- VIF [your mileage may vary -- verify in field]

Good luck shopping!

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Old 02-21-2016, 09:49 AM   #548
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OTRA15 - Thank you very much! This is very helpful indeed. It is very kind of you to take time out of your schedule to get those measurements for me. We had identified some packages of frozen meat and vegetable that we thought we would need on a "typical" trip (for us) and measured the dimensions. What we calculated 'almost' fits within the dimensions you have me. So, with a little modification and or adjustments, we very well may be able to make it work!

Thanks again!
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Old 02-21-2016, 10:34 AM   #549
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You are welcome. If your "almost" implies needing another 1/16" or 1/8" you might make it. I erred on the side of dimensions that would account for small differences in freezers as-built. Don't forget that the actual freezer in your trailer might be different.
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Old 02-21-2016, 08:45 PM   #550
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[QUOTE: OTRA15

On the sound dampening material, I think the magic words in the LV-1 product … That SoundSense site has highly engineered products which work in my experience. { makes sense }

Know any recording studios in Eugene you could visit? They might be able to recommend a wall product, although it might be too think. ….. AND keep the pots from sliding and creating a "head of steam" on their own which increases the force of the pots hitting the front of the drawer, and . . . you get the drift . . . { totally… & I’ll check around for some studios & LV1…something under 30’. I also have a few architects friends to ask}

Ditto on the need for some mechanical "lock" for that bottom drawer just to be sure. No response yet on that other thread about the replacement drawer slides he used…. How about a custom ply/cardboard box which would sit on the floor and just barely fit between that bottom drawer face, and the bathroom door? It could live as a storage box under the bed, and maybe double as a way to raise the floorheight in front of the throne? [IMG]file:///C:\Users\BOB&MY~1\AppData\Local\Temp\msohtmlclip1\ 01\clip_image001.gif[/IMG] { I was thinking of something simple like a Rube Goldberg solution…twist expanding shower rod drawer the BR door/bulkhead??? As a temp solution but I like the double or triple duty ; ) box too. Not sure if I want to get into new glides just yet but may consider.}

Flex connectors for the pump -- please let us know what the mfg. says. { 10-4 …the ones installed sure look like the kit, at least on the surface }

A brief overnight low of 28 F should not affect your plumbing IMO unless there is a strong wind. Draining the
water tank and opening the low point drains should be enough IMO, maybe blow out the lines, but it does not seem worth it to do a full winterization including taking the pump lines off, and using AF in the drain traps. Of course if you have the time and inclination . .


{I expect you’re right, but since I’m taking it in for misc warranty work on Tuesday …dropping it off winterized means that’s how they’ll deliver it after new LP drains and a plumbing check…next use is not until the end of April. This winterization went much smoother & AF is cheap…plus another run thru to get the system down was good training. The first winterization was fact finding process & challenge. I post the new drain pics and also how the dealer tweaked the pex so it self-drains from the WH inlet which was a low spor before #408.}


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Old 03-04-2016, 09:50 AM   #551
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Natures Head composting toilet in a 20 Footer?

Has anyone installed a Natures Head composting toilet in their (or anyone elses for that matter ) 20 footer?

I am seriously contemplating installing one and I have measured and think it will fit. However I wanted to see if anyone had done an installation and had images that they would not mind sharing.

I am intersted in seeing the clearance on the sides and and back, and also the height of the toilet.

According to my measurements, the seat would come out at about the height of the counter. This would mean that I would need a small stool in the bathroom so that feet don't end up dangling.

Any pictures people can share would be greatly appreciated.

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Old 03-04-2016, 04:43 PM   #552
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J, I assume you have seen this thread:

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f382...ll-146271.html

As you seem to appreciate, the FC20 toilet seat is a little on the high side already, due to the black water tank just below. We are thinking of building up the bath floor enough to make the floor-to-seat height more normal. I forget how close to the floor the bottom of the vanity door is, and will check tomorrow.

Your proposed toilet seat height certainly presents a challenge! Climbing your stool to be seated might put a whole new meaning to the word "throne!" [ ignoring the words "whole" and "stool" for now . . . ]

Have you thought about how/where you would vent the exhaust from the new toilet's fan (if I have understood the basic design right)? I believe that the vent has to leave the composting tank and go horizontal or up (not down IMO).

More generally have you used a composting toilet before? Curious to know more about them.

Good luck!

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Old 03-05-2016, 11:14 AM   #553
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Peter,

Yes I am familiar with the thread and I have been reading about composting toilets for about 2 years now. Besides taking our 20 footer on the road, we spend quite a bit of time on a lakefront property we have. The composting toilet did not feel like a necessary thing for when we are on the road, but it would be very convenient from when we are at the lake.

The vent would be easy, my plan is to tap into the black water vent which is right next to the toilet on the right hand side.

I am not interested in building up the floor as that would present an opportunity for tripping in the middle of the night.

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Old 03-05-2016, 12:29 PM   #554
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Thanks J, I agree the composting toilet would be great for your property at the lake. I assume you also would have room there to bury the composting bags? Have used plenty of rural old-fashioned outhouses, and the new composting heads are definitely a step up. Not sure how much sense they make for a small trailer like ours however.

I looked at our bath floor, and there is room to build it up about 3-4" as one big flat platform behind the entry door all the way to the toilet base, although the bottom of the vanity door will be close to the floor. This door's bottom could be cut a bit higher without disturbing the bottom hinge (of 3). If the entire bathroom floor were uniformly higher, the only thing to trip on would be the 4" rise as you entered from the hall. BTW this floor platform could have great storage under it for heavy things like cast iron frying pans, keeping the weight low in the trailer.
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Old 03-05-2016, 12:48 PM   #555
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Gold Violin sells "Safe-T-Stool", which is a 8Hx19.5Wx15D step, rated for 500#s. Top is smaller as the sides slant in, but a nice firm step that works in the toilet, under the fans, and anywhere else a step up is required. Construction is plastic, it's made in the USA and available in black, red, and blue to coordinate with your decorating pleasure. Not sure it will fit in a 20, but it works well in our 23 with a bit of wiggle room, which helps.

As a thought, if it's time to install a composting toilet, it might be a good idea to remove the black tank and lower the toilet to floor level. It's a bit more work, but a throne seems like a lot of work on a regular basis. Pat
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Old 03-06-2016, 09:41 AM   #556
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Hose Length?

What length of hose is recommended to use for the sewer rinse line. It's a garden hose....just not sure what length to buy.

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Old 03-06-2016, 10:11 AM   #557
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Do you mean the city water feed to the black water tank flush out system? The connection for this is on the street side near the main city water connection, so you need a clean hose of an appropriate length to reach your city water supply hose bib.

This flush out system has a vacuum breaker in-line to the black water tank, and I think mine leaked inside under the bath vanity. Other threads here have mentioned a leaky vacuum breaker also. I will find those threads if we are in the right location plumbing-wise. For now I do not use the black water flush out system at all. The old fashioned way works fine IMO.

Maybe your question was about another aspect of the "sewer" system though . . . ?

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PS edit -- Post 381 in this thread will lead to another thread with info. on the vacuum breaker situation.
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Thanks for the information...I will look at the post regarding the vacuum breaker...I wasn't aware of that possible challenge.
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Steve FYI -- just noticed this new thread on the vacuum breaker issue:

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f444...sh-147672.html
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Hey everyone. Got my new FC 20 all rigged up, took it out for a weekend of dry camping and everything worked great. Vinny, my 150 pulled Boomer, my tailer, like a champ in some pretty challenging places. Ready to hit the road in about 3 weeks, can't wait. Love the design of the 20. Maybe I will see some of you on the road.
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