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Old 02-02-2016, 09:11 AM   #491
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Welcome to the forum, and this 20-footer thread, Kittyfeet!

TCWheels put 16" Sendel wheels and Michelin tires on. See Post 72, and later ones.

If I might make a couple of suggestions --

In general you can "Search this Thread" via the bar at the top of this thread. Also the site's search functions at the upper right work well, especially the Google option in the middle of the new frame which pops up IMO.

You will find tons of discussions about single vs. double axles by searching. Personally I went from a 25' 2-axle to a 20' single and am happy with the choice. The main disadvantage IMO is in the case of a tire blowing out obviously.

I have a Reese WD set up with 800 bars for my FC20 mainly because the dealer recommended it, and because I had Reese on the 25' back in the 90's, with sway control. My new tow vehicle has built-in sway control so the new Reese WD does not have sway control. There are also tons of threads on WD!

Lastly, did you know there is also a thread for 23FB owners? Bounce up a level at the top left to Flying Cloud link, and see the following thread listed there:

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f516...rs-145910.html
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Old 02-02-2016, 10:33 AM   #492
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Thank you so very much.
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Old 02-02-2016, 11:24 AM   #493
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I really appreciate all the helpful comments people give on this website. It is so very helpful to use experiences others have had, to make our AS ventures more fun and safer. This one is especially important to me. My Granddaughter, who has camped with us for a long time, wants her own AS. She likes the FC 20. I just bought her a new F-150, Eco Boost, Platinum, fully tricked out with all towing options. Going to get the trailer for her when she decides for sure but had some areas of uncertainty that I want defined before I get it all rigged up for her. All your help is so important because we are talking about one load of very precious cargo.
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Old 02-02-2016, 11:30 AM   #494
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Kittyfeet, I hope you will be able to have your granddaughter check out the various models in person at a dealer. This really brings it all home. When the missus and I saw the 20-footer, with the corner galley and stall shower, we said almost in unison, "This is it!"

Much better than a picture worth a thousand words IMO . . .

The smaller wet bath models may also appeal to her for their ease of towing and maintenance, albeit with less of a full kitchen feel.

What a great gift you are giving!

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Old 02-02-2016, 11:38 AM   #495
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Thanks. She has visited a number of dealers, just looking, and keeps going back to the FC 20. The choice is hers, but I am trying to encourage her to look at the 19s, 20s, 22s, and 23s, just for the size. Guess I should be glad she is not finding the Land Yacht to her liking. I am new myself to this website, so still learning how to navigate but realize there is a wealth of knowledge here from real experience. Looking forward to following her down the highway to a camping adventure.
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Old 02-02-2016, 12:38 PM   #496
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I really appreciate all the helpful comments people give on this website. It is so very helpful to use experiences others have had, to make our AS ventures more fun and safer. This one is especially important to me. My Granddaughter, who has camped with us for a long time, wants her own AS. She likes the FC 20. I just bought her a new F-150, Eco Boost, Platinum, fully tricked out with all towing options. Going to get the trailer for her when she decides for sure but had some areas of uncertainty that I want defined before I get it all rigged up for her. All your help is so important because we are talking about one load of very precious cargo.

Kittyfeet -

I'm doing genealogical research as we speak to see if I'm possibly related to you so that I might also benefit from your incredible generosity! Seriously, I echo Peter, what a fantastic gift! Having two grand-daughters myself, I very much appreciate the impact this will have on her life.

If you have any questions about my wheel/tire upgrade that isn't covered in the thread, just PM me.

I DID have a concern about single vs tandem axle before buying our 20. Curiously, my father did not buy an Airstream in 1968 for precisely that reason. He could not get a 22 or 23 foot trailer with tandem axles. Well, we had the most catastrophic failure possible relative to tires and wheels when we lost a complete wheel and tire assembly on the interstate in March of 2015! Our hitch and sway control system worked flawlessly and I remained in complete control of the rig at all times and was able to get off the highway safely and calmly. The failure occurred due to over torqued lug nuts that broke three of six studs sometime before we bought the Airstream. It may sound strange to say after that experience, but I would still buy another single axle trailer. I love the much better maneuverability as we are often camping in state and national forest campgrounds with tight spaces. That, coupled with the unique layout, fits our needs perfectly.

The only other trailer that we considered was the front bedroom 23 - that's a great unit, especially the International version - but there have been lots of times since we got the 20 that I've commented, while parking in tight spots, that we definitely made the right choice! And the rear bed 23 is, to me, a much inferior layout to the 20.

Good luck and welcome!
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Old 02-02-2016, 12:58 PM   #497
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Thanks, let me know if we are "kin". I am as well impressed with the FC 20 layout. She will be traveling much of the time by herself, so a lot of additional room is not really important to her. We have pulled many horse trailers, all tandem, for many years and she can drive, pull, back and maneuver every bit as well as I can. I want to put on the 16" wheels and the best tire money can buy, still wondering about the WD and SC, but looking at the Propride. We will not have to take a lot of weight off the hitch and I wonder if that small amount would provide the necessary friction for SC of an Equal-I-zer. Still playing around.
Glad you handled the failure you had.
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Old 02-03-2016, 02:50 AM   #498
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We have the Fastway E2 on ours. If you go with a bar setup versus a chain you have the sway built in. They each have their unique problems though. Read up on them and go to the vendors sites and watch their videos. If you go with bars many suggest round bars so they are easier on the trailer. The sizing is also counterintuitive so ask a lot of questions. The 20 was "in between" bar sizes on ours. We went up in size (800) because of the tongue weight possibly being over 600#.

The 20 is a fantastic trailer. We always wanted one. We had a 16 for a year and had the opportunity to move up to the 20. We love it. The bed could be bigger and the toilet could be lower but other than that we think it is just about perfect. It is so nice to have counter space and a usable bathroom. We bought a nice little stainless Steel microwave we carry in the shower while traveling to complete the kitchen. The oven is nice for sticky buns on a chilly morning. There is so much storage under the bed we empty it out into the garage at the end of the season so we have to reevaluate whether to put something back in. It's easy to forget stuff is there! Lots of large nooks and crannies under there to store fishing gear and poles, chairs, stoves for outside, griddles, grills, etc. as well as the tubs that come with it.
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Old 02-03-2016, 06:07 AM   #499
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Thanks. She has visited a number of dealers, just looking, and keeps going back to the FC 20. The choice is hers, but I am trying to encourage her to look at the 19s, 20s, 22s, and 23s, just for the size. Guess I should be glad she is not finding the Land Yacht to her liking. I am new myself to this website, so still learning how to navigate but realize there is a wealth of knowledge here from real experience. Looking forward to following her down the highway to a camping adventure.
I have a 2013, FC 20 for sale. Less than 1000 miles, garage kept since new with 160 watts of solar panels and controller dealer installed. Send me a PM if you are interested.
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I read through a lot of the posts, so sorry if someone has already answered this, but, any regrets about a single axle vs a tandem? Also, what is the consensus on the best WD and SC system for the FC 20?
Hi Kittyfeet! I bought the 20 foot because it was "just right" in Goldilocks terms. However, after some real life experiences with it I came to realize that the single axel on a coach this size leaves a smaller amount of weight for all your personal gear including fresh water! The limit is 740 lbs. Pretty slim IMO. A 23 footer with 2 axles would start you at the low end for the weight to axel ratio where the 20 foot is already at the top end.

I know that sounds like plenty of room but if you need to carry some water, food and gear it gets used up pretty fast. I weighed myself on CAT scales and was pleased to find that the WD system moves the weight I was over to the tow vehicle!

I use a Reese Duel Cam anti sway round bar system which does what it is designed to do. It took lots of noodling to dial in and you are supposed to adjust it regularly based on your loads using the lock bolts on the cams. I find all this way too fussy. I also experienced a bolt failure on one cam arm bracket in the middle of a long trip. Was a PITA to find someone to drill out the stripped holes and I had to have the parts shipped from eTrailer (it tells you something that they sell a repair kit for this exact issue). I also find the Reese makes a lot of noise at times. Straight down the hwy is fine but on city streets and campgrounds people turn their heads when I am coming!

As soon as I have an extra $700 I want to switch out the Reese to an Equalizer brand. But like I said the Reese does its job and I had used one with a different TV and coach and was fine with it. My current configuration just does not seem to be ideal.

Sorry for the long answer! No regrets for me on the 20 foot AS or my Jeep GC diesel.
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I am as well impressed with the FC 20 layout.
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PS Kittyfeet -- Don't forget to compare the windows of all the smaller trailers. The FC20 has great full-opening screened windows, hinged on top, whereas many of the other small trailers like the Sport have large fixed glass panels, with dinky little sliding 1/2 windows underneath. No way these would provide any ventilation in Texas, forcing one to rely on air conditioning all the time, and thus either being hooked up to electric or a genset. Also, being hinged on top, the FC20 windows do a pretty fair job of shedding light rain and mist when lowered to almost-closed, all the while permitting some cross-ventilation in concert with the two skylights.

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I read through a lot of the posts, so sorry if someone has already answered this, but, any regrets about a single axle vs a tandem? Also, what is the consensus on the best WD and SC system for the FC 20?
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I have done the conversion along wth lots of other folks. I put on the sendel rims, michelin tires, centramatics and a TMPS system. I feel much safer towing with this set up knowing that I have weight capacity to spare.

The biggest drawback to this system is that the Michelin tires require 80 PSI, and most gas station air pump don't go that high. My solution is a high performance air pump, I purchased the VIAIR 300P portable compressor and have been very very pleased with it.

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Forgot to ask, anyone gone to 16" wheels and tires?
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Old 02-06-2016, 09:21 AM   #504
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Thanks for the confirmation. Could you please post the full specs of your Michelin tires or maybe a photo of the sidewall stamp?

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