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Old 07-04-2017, 10:17 AM   #15
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While the size of the kitchen or the bed is a pretty obvious thing looking at different models, there are other changes. The smaller trailers have smaller water tanks (fresh, gray, and black). That will impact how long you can stay out without full hookups. The hauling capacity on most of the longer trailers is much greater than on the little guys. You may never *need* to put 2,600 lb of "stuff" in your trailer. Having enough capacity to at least fill the fresh water tank is a really good thing.

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Old 07-04-2017, 10:31 AM   #16
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23 foot, FB, 15" wheels and double axles!!!!

If you are looking at the late model 23 foot front bed with 15" wheels... I would have purchased it before buying our 25 foot International. They are 8" narrower, do not need a microwave, if possible, and enjoy this one for the rest of your trailering days!

The 23 foot and 25 foot are best for our kind of Off the Grid camping. The 23 foot has a bit less interior to deal with, but if you spend all of your time sitting in the trailer... you need a 34 foot.

For Boondocking Off the Grid and two people and two dogs... these new upgraded to 15" wheels and hopefully axles are a 'Dream Come True' for camping away from RV Parks and paved campsites. You may even be able to buy a 25 foot for the same price, so work with the dealer until he gives up and sells you the 23 foot at your price.

There are a list of reasons for a double axle... you will not be disappointed.
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Old 07-04-2017, 03:34 PM   #17
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No regrets . . . just lots of learning

We started with a 2015 20' Bambi. We take extended trips of 2 - 4 months. We loved everything about it -- except -- the bed. Once you are in, the mattress is extremely comfortable . . . but after a very short amount of time, we grew weary of having to climb over each other getting in and out of bed. ALSO . . . it was too much mattress downsizing for us. We are in our mid-60s and physically active . . . but we really don't sleep well when the mattress is smaller than a queen.

We now own a 2016 23' International FB. It's all about the bed for us. It's wider, and easier for two people to get in/out. The only downside was that we lost some counter space. But . . . it's worth it for sleep! Good luck!
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Old 07-04-2017, 11:05 PM   #18
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Some of us still think small is beautiful.

We enjoy desert camping "in the boonies." We have developed several measures to conserve battery power, waste water tank capacity, and fresh water. Just for example, even primitive western campgrounds have pit toilets that we use except at night. When we wash dishes, we dispose of the waste gray water out-of-doors in a sanitary way-- in some distant bushes, usually. We conserve shower water by putting a plastic tub or two in the shower with us. We turn off the battery main switch if we're out for the day, leaving the Bambi on-site.

Frankly, for people who stick to camping situations with hook-ups and sani-dumps, most of these problems go away.

We solved the bed problem by putting the dinette table down every night and taking it up in the morning, for a 2-bed solution. This takes under a minute.

I'm not saying that "the Bambi" is the right solution for everyone, but it is for some of us.
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Old 07-05-2017, 01:28 AM   #19
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Just wondering if you are still monitoring this thread?

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We are struggling with the 19 vs 23' debate
Anyone with a 19' wake up wishing they went with 23'?

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Old 07-05-2017, 08:34 AM   #20
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Apparently no check of the forums at breakfast

The "daily update" won't go out until tonight though.

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Old 07-05-2017, 09:12 AM   #21
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We had a 20' for 2 years and a 25' for the last six years, spending about 200 nights a year in each traveling and staying at various snowbird destinations.

The 20' size is a great traveler, weekend and vacation trailer. Plenty of space and capacity and easy to use. The 19' may be even better. Importantly this size can easily be towed at a mid-size SIV or similar.

The 25' size is a great destination Airstream, and travels very well on extended trips. A 25' through 28' fits this mid-size group, the 23' may be a little tight. This size can easily be towed by a larger SUV or half-ton pickup.

We have purchased a winter home in the Southwest, sold our 25' and are looking at a 16' Airstream Basecamp for extended travel ease between our winter/summer destinations. Our smaller diesel pickup is a bit oversized for the task, but it's what we have and so will use.

Decide how you intend to use your Airstream and what tow vehicle fits into your everyday lifestyle; the size decision becomes easier.
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Old 07-05-2017, 09:50 AM   #22
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When we first got the Airstream "bug," we found a gently used nineteen at our local dealer. It was perfect. We wanted it so much. But, the thing was already sold "pending financing approval." Dang! We haunted the dealer - probably nearly drove them nutz - with approval so long in coming, the deal must be pretty sketchy we thought.

Then it was gone. The deal "went through" and there went the Airstream we really wanted.

Anyway, about a microsecond later, the 2014 23D Serenity showed up in the Airstream Classifieds. It was near enough to go take a look. So off we went, not really being sure why, because we were so dead set on a 19'.

When we got to the trailer, the owner had it all 'ready to show." All the lights were on, the TV was going, the heat was on (it was a cold morning). Wow!

When Linda and I walked in, we must have said "we'll take it" so fast it shocked he owner. The arrangement was simply perfect for our kind of camping. Perfect in every way. We loved the large "lounge" area and the open, airy feel of the trailer. We liked the sleeping arrangements (Linda sleeps in The Queen's Chambers in the back, I sleep on the pull-out twin-size bed up front... perfect for us. Heck, the relative smallness of the bathroom didn't bother us a bit... we realize that a person spends only a [very] few minutes in the bathroom each day, but potentially lots of time in the rest of the trailer. Small bath for big lounge was an easy trade for us.

We were so spectacularly ignorant, we didn't even know what a Serenity was, but we sure liked its looks.

Since that cold January morning, we have spent a good deal of time in "Fortune Cookie" and it has more than met our expectations and hopes.

Don't you just love a happy ending, even if it's nothing more than a happy accident?

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We started with a 19. I wasn't comfortable with the single axel. Went to a 23D. The corner bed is just too small in both but it was nice to have a long couch for guests and as a fold out bed in the 23D. A 23FB would have been better bed wise but no place for guests to sit or for us to just kick back. Both trailers were towed with a 1500 gas truck.

Now have a 25FB. My advice (when asked) is to start with the 25FB and a 3/4 ton diesel. You'll most likely end up there eventually.
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Old 07-05-2017, 10:44 AM   #24
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The first post is from Sunday, however, and it shows only one post total for the OP.

Just sayin' . . . folks like to talk I guess . . . even if the person who asked the question has fled the coop!



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The first post is from Sunday, however, and it shows only one post total for the OP.

Just sayin' . . . folks like to talk I guess . . . even if the person who asked the question has fled the coop!

According to the OP's profile page: Last Activity: Yesterday 05:12 PM

So he may still be watching...
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Old 07-05-2017, 12:05 PM   #26
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I'll never own another trailer with a single axle.
Then, can I make up the bed without gymnastics?
Can I get out of bed without kicking the partner in the head?
Can I use the toilet without opening the door?
Can I turn around in the shower without a wheel well under my feet?
Do I need a dinette? NO!
Can I have a weekend guest?
Do I have to make something else into the bed?
Can I use everything at a rest stop? (A friend has a 5th wheel where you have to put the slide out before you can open the bathroom door! To me that's a horrible design.)
Will I say, "I hate this" in a year?

I've seen people living in a truck camper, or in a Scamp, but that's not me.
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. . . start with the 25FB and a 3/4 ton diesel. You'll most likely end up there eventually.
In eight years of very extensive travel we never, ever needed or wished for a 3/4 ton diesel for our 25'. On the contrary we traded last year for another 1/2 ton, with a smaller 3.0 diesel for genuine fuel economy. Perfect combination.

If very long term camping is in the plan, I agree with the Airstream 25', in a rear or front bed arrangement.
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The first post is from Sunday, however, and it shows only one post total for the OP.

Just sayin' . . . folks like to talk I guess . . . even if the person who asked the question has fled the coop!

True, but there are usually a thousand others looking in with a similar question.
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