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Old 11-09-2005, 12:20 PM   #15
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I like the fact that my coach is narrow, and I would recomend thinking vintage on that basis alone.
I have had travel trailers in widths from 6' 6" wide Scamp right up to my current 8' 6" wide Classic. I was reluctant at first to go to the wide body and bought the 8' wide 22' International before upgrading to a wide body.

I scarcely notice the wider body when on the road except in the occasional construction zone. The gain in liveability resulting from the wider trailer far exceeds the extra driving care needed in occasional tight places. I base this opinion on about 20,000 miles towing the wide body trailer.

With the wider trailer, you do need extension mirrors, however, I occasionally forget to extend mine and I get along fine till I extend them at the next convenient stop.

I would never willingly go back to the narrower trailer.
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Old 11-09-2005, 12:28 PM   #16
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Thanks so much for the info...
That bed is mighty small for two people (especially for long trips *smile*) in the 19'...My main concern was the backing problem in the 25'....but it sounds like that there really isn't much of a difference...and on a long rainy trip, the 25' could save the relationship *laugh*
And yes, we love the layout of the 25...it gives a lot of options....
A 25' is really easier to back up, because it has a second axle to resist the sudden swing from turning that you get with a single axle trailer, as well as the longer wheelbase tending to slow down the turning process while backing.
A 25' would tend to sway less, they tow easier (less bobbling around) and ride better, as well as having more interior space. If you think about it, it should be no more trouble to set up and break down camp, you still only have one water connection, one water heater to light, one power cord to plug in, etc. And it loolks the same from the driver's seat, you just have to remember to allow a bit more room when making turns.
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Old 11-09-2005, 02:10 PM   #17
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Clear as mud....*smile*

OK...so I am totally convinced that the 25' is definitely the way to go *laugh* (I hadn't even realized that the double axles make a difference in backing)...and plus, I had forgotten the dogs...they may be small little wiener dogs (2) but you wouldn't believe the space that they take up in the bed when they stretch out....
But now you've got me thinking about storage and space...Is the 28' that different from the Safari 25 FB' (besides the 3 feet ). Is bigger always better?
I've been "lurking" around the forums for months now "absorbing" information...between TV, sewage, tv mounts, and everything else...thank you so much for the use of your "brains"...Hopefully, it'll help us avoid a lot of "newbie" mistakes...

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Old 11-09-2005, 02:42 PM   #18
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.... Is bigger always better?

I've been "lurking" around the forums for months now "absorbing" information...between TV, sewage, tv mounts, and everything else...thank you so much for the use of your "brains"...Hopefully, it'll help us avoid a lot of "newbie" mistakes...

Susan
Newbies don't make mistakes - we just like to see for ourselves what everyone else has been through

To address your point is bigger always better. In this case I would have to say no

You tell me which is the 21' Globe Trotter and which is the 26' Argosy.

One with a dinette set up and the other with a couch set up. sorry the pics are not the greatest - and nope that ol'e guy is not my Hubby - he is my Dad and the look on his face says - well if they don't get here soon I'm going to eat the lot. He did however find out pretty quick that saving dishes and using paper towels was not a good idea

One neg on the dinette set up the couches are not too comfortable - but can easily be rectified by getting custom puff/pillow style upholstery cushions made - which is the reason I have held off on doing that job.

The typical Airstream front couch - I am sure is much more comfortable.

Keep in mind Susan that we are speaking about Vintage.

The 28 Excella that we have - the wrek - has the couch and side pull out table set up too - but definitely has more elbow room than a 26 - don't think the side tables are any bigger - you just have more room to get a chair in on the other side.

To pop another thought - too much storage can also be a pain in the rear - photo memory - up and down to get at things which half of we never need and just collect dust in the trailers.

But on a more practical point - the older you get the more space you will need to manuever - stiffer bones and aching muscles -and the big A word will hit us all at one point - and I am sure that is when the more space concept plays a big role in our decision making for the furture.

Happy surfing - and don't be like half of us here and jump in knee deep and then almost drown trying to figure out how the heck one trailer ended up being three in a real short time!!!
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Old 11-09-2005, 02:45 PM   #19
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Opps forgot the photos

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Okay it is the younger guy with grey hair woofing down the coffee that is my guy
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Old 11-09-2005, 02:54 PM   #20
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Having owned a 19' Bambi and now a 25' Safari I can tell you one person can manage both. As for space for two, clearly you will want the 25'. There is 2x the storage, more fresh water capacity, dual sink, couch and dinette (depending on 25' model selected), larger fridge (with seperate freezer), dual axles, etc.

Now the bad news is that the 25' GVWR can be a bit more than the 19' Bambi, and you are really starting to get into the 3/4 ton tow vehicle, but I will say this, I've used ours solo and it's been great. When we go out together, even better with the extra space. When the niece and nephew come with us as they did with the Bambi it's a night and day difference.

If you couldn't tell, I am wholeheartedly suggesting you go with the 25' It's just a real comfy, manageable unit.

I'm still thinking of upgrading and when I do it will most likely be another 25' unit. If yer interested I'd sell you my 2004 25 SS for a fair price...only used about a dozen times. I'm thinking of getting a 25' SS SE LS.

My 04 has an upgraded A/C unit (15k BTU) dual fantastic vents, dual entry step (added later), leather sofa, LS upgrade pkg, etc.
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Old 11-09-2005, 03:07 PM   #21
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Makes sense...

Yes...the 25' definitely makes more sense in that regard...especially if our godkids ever decide to come on a trip with us (hadn't thought of that)
I was actually looking at the Safari 25' FB that seems to have both the couch and the dinnette...and a full queen bed...the 28' is bigger and more costly...and I can't figure out anything that it has over the 25'...

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Old 11-09-2005, 04:36 PM   #22
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The 28 is longer, and the bed is normal situated front to back instead of sideways. I know folks like the bedroom up front on the FB model and on thte 30' "Bunkhouse", it's a personal choice. I didn't care for it as the front of the coach is closer to the road. I like the bed closer to the back because to me it leaves some buffer zone between you and the front of the campsite...again, it's a personal call.

I like the 28' unit. There are two real issues that I didn't like about it. One was the air vent in the floor by the dinette and front door. Not sure if it is still there, but it seemed to me to be a bad idea. The other thing I didn't care for about the 28 was that the walkway seemed more tight than the 25' unit (25 C). The 25' C has a bit more room up front for the kids to play around in, and when trying to get around folks in the kitchen area, it's not as crowded. I do love the bed config in the back though, but didn't care for the L couch which can't be removed and replaced with a normal couch since the water heater is under there on the street side. In addition, I like the credenza on the 25 C that allows both dining and other activites as a functional table for the couch.

There are many good and bad points and what I've shared is my opinion. The bottom line is you gotta go for what moves you. For me, personally it was the 25' Six Sleeper....and it too has some shortcomings, but since I am camping, and roughing it.....well, I take the good with the bad since it is a very comfy coach. That's not to say I don't think of the ol Bambi every once in a while.
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Old 11-09-2005, 07:12 PM   #23
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and I can't figure out anything that it has over the 25'...

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Old 11-09-2005, 08:39 PM   #24
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so many sizes, models and years....so little time.

hi lamb and elk

welcome to airstreaming.

you've not told us much about your camping experience or previous trailering.....and why a trailer and not a moho?

i have airstreamed solo for 25+ years. currently i have a 34 tri axle...and as jack suggests the number of helpers while traveling has little to do with trailer length....it's the truck that does all the work! infact if folks are running around while you back up/park they just become more things to look out for like the water pipe/picnic table and so on....

mpg doesn't change much, camping options don't change much, need to by groceries or do laundry doesn't change much...backing isn't an issue, rearward vision is all the same and so on....of course every one of us thinks we've selected the perfect length and can rationalize our choices....

i wanted a full bedroom with a real sized bed that i couldn't see from the galley/lounge area. a shower large enough to actually used daily, plenty of kitchen space without converting stuff 3 times/day, and a lounge area big enough to move around in...also i wanted enough indoor space for long trips at times other than summer....

and i wanted 3 axles/6 tires/6 brakes and the suspension/support that comes from the triple units.....so i opted for the shortest tri trailer they offer.

yes traveling along\e takes some getting used to...but it's really no different than driving a car alone and staying in motels...either way you'll need to learn to keep track of everything anyway.

i agree the 25 safari/international upgrade is a neat "studio apartment" sized room with everything in full view...but the beds too small and so is the shower....and there isn't a real bed room anyway....and the fluid capacities aren't enough....and so on.

in one of your posts you suggest wanting to avoid making a purchase mistake....well that's a good notion...of course airstream dealer/inc like it when a buyer goes from 22 to 25 to 28 to 31 every year or so.... and rarely do 34ers upgrade to a smaller trailer.

as an airsteamer it's sort of fun to grow in length every few years and this board is full of folks who've done just that....

if this if your FIRST trailer of any kind ever, it's important to sort out how you will use it and how often....not the daydreamin' stuff but realistic usage. also where will you store it when not on the road and what will be the t.v.

then of course how much can you afford on this one....and the next one....and so on.

twinks go a nice unit at the 25 for a near new/used purchase and a 7-10 year old 34 can be purchased for less than the 25/28 new safaris....

so i think the biggest mistake is not getting ANY airstream.....but the most expensive mistake is buying new as a first timer....lots of folks who do end up never using what they buy and selling at a big discount and if they do use it much how soon do they upgrade....so my suggestion is look toward a recent (95 on) trailer, that has been seldom used but nicely depreciated.....

and get the biggest you can afford, because i've not spent one second saying.....

"i wonder what it would be like if this thing were 2 feet shorter....."

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Old 11-09-2005, 09:50 PM   #25
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twinks go a nice unit at the 25 for a near new/used purchase and a 7-10 year old 34 can be purchased for less than the 25/28 new safaris....
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Old 11-09-2005, 10:26 PM   #26
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I'm one who purchased a 31' for use during turkey and deer seasons (we're talking 30 days or more per year) either by myself or having a hunting friend sleep on the front couch part of that time. I also had visions of time spent on the road with my wife and some of my 4 kids. Well, I did make a trip to Stone Mountain, GA. with wife and 2 kids and a trip to Cloudland Canyon by myself. I found that I had more than enough space for myself, still more room with one other person but a little cramped with two kids sleeping on the floor. Part of the problem was the single mid bed/dresser arrangement rather than twins.

I started looking at what I could do without and started subtracting floorspace. I figured subtract 2 wardrobe cabinets each less than 2' in width. Ok, down to a 29' or so. I figured subtract 3' from the front lounge area because there is more than enough room. OK, down to 26'. Last, subtract 1' from the galley counter. Down to 25' and I could live with that. Could I go any shorter? Well, maybe but the floorplan was not available that I could live with in the 80's and 90's. I sure can't afford a new trailer on what I make and 3 kids in college at the same time.
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OK...so I am totally convinced that the 25' is definitely the way to go *laugh* Is bigger always better?
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Hi Susan,

We have a 25' 2004 Safari SS for sale, if you are interested PM me. We love the unit but.........looking to purchase the 30' Safari Bunkbed, and would like a little more space with two adult size children. The floorplan is quite comfortable though! This unit tows like a charm. Sometimes we forget we have something in tow. So I guess bigger is always better if you can manage it.

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I really like our 25' model. Camped a lot in forest service campgrounds and it could fit many spaces. lived in it for 4 months at the time and it was big enough. my wife would have liked a wide body so we could pass in the hall. now I just have a beer and sit outside until she is through at the stove.
bought a 32 footer. gets about the same milage as the 25' behind our diesel. but I could tow the 25 with a 150 and I would not tow the longer one with that. the longer trailer is easier to back. the bathroom is definitely bigger and nicer. we are going to park it year round in Fl and caravan with the short one.
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