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Old 09-21-2010, 07:34 AM   #57
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I should also clarify that my wife and I feel strongly about the merit of real life education. We have never regretted the absences connected to Airstreaming. My daughter has come to the age however that missing a day or two drastically affects her. We have a rally coming up and where we usually create an excuse to miss, we no longer feel we can. As a result we will be coming in on friday late. Sports has also put a wrinkle in the plan too.
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I should also clarify that my wife and I feel strongly about the merit of real life education. We have never regretted the absences connected to Airstreaming. My daughter has come to the age however that missing a day or two drastically affects her. We have a rally coming up and where we usually create an excuse to miss, we no longer feel we can. As a result we will be coming in on friday late. Sports has also put a wrinkle in the plan too.
That real life education is one of the reasons we got an A/S. That and the realization that the time we have with the kids is flying by. Also, we have so little time with the kids when they consider us cool/exciting.
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I should also clarify that my wife and I feel strongly about the merit of real life education. We have never regretted the absences connected to Airstreaming. My daughter has come to the age however that missing a day or two drastically affects her. We have a rally coming up and where we usually create an excuse to miss, we no longer feel we can. As a result we will be coming in on friday late. Sports has also put a wrinkle in the plan too.

Frank there is a season for everything. All of are kids are off to college now. Elaine and I have lots of time now and the house is mighty quiet. I miss the popcorn casseroles at the games though. Enjoy and cherish it while you can, it will be over before you know it.
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This seems more and more to be recreating the old format. How on earth did we get a magizne, websit, yahoo group, and people thinking about regions? There is a club for folks who need sure things. What is needed is one that avoids such stuff. The forums is an adequate location for rally informaiton and I don't see any need for any other.
If all the work fulls on a few people for big events and they are unhappy then don't have big events. Frankly I am concerned that the natural tendency to create policy (and thus political transactions) is growing and will soon dominate this "club". I was hoping it would be and stay different.

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Old 09-26-2010, 02:01 PM   #61
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This seems more and more to be recreating the old format. How on earth did we get a magizne, websit, yahoo group, and people thinking about regions?
For a loose-nit group to make things happen needs them to communicate.

Magazine: communication
Website: communication
Group: communication
Regions: well, we don't have regions, but if we did, it would only be about communication, with people local to you. But we don't. So....

The best way to have a no-organization club run is just to have it so everyone knows where and how to communicate with each other.
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Old 09-26-2010, 03:23 PM   #62
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For a loose-nit group to make things happen needs them to communicate.

Magazine: communication
Website: communication
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Regions: well, we don't have regions, but if we did, it would only be about communication, with people local to you. But we don't. So....

The best way to have a no-organization club run is just to have it so everyone knows where and how to communicate with each other.

Seems to me we already do that.....
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In very inefficient ways. Instead of having to search through a myriad of forum posts trying to figure out when/where the TAC rallies are, you can just go to the TAC website, and there they are -- no searching required. Want a hard copy -- print out the Magazine.

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Because we want to make it easy for our members to get together -- and this particular forum isn't exactly the easiest place to find out when rallies are -- it's awesome for a lot of other things, but club feedback, coordination and planning are not its strengths, that's for sure.
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In very inefficient ways. Instead of having to search through a myriad of forum posts trying to figure out when/where the TAC rallies are, you can just go to the TAC website, and there they are -- no searching required. Want a hard copy -- print out the Magazine.

Because we want to make it easy for our members to get together -- and this particular forum isn't exactly the easiest place to find out when rallies are -- it's awesome for a lot of other things, but club feedback, coordination and planning are not its strengths, that's for sure.
Huh? When I log on, on the Portal page there's about twenty-five lines there that show ALL the upcoming rallies: "Airstream Rally Calendar" it's called.

The titles give the dates, place and most also show the association giving it.

I don't see anything difficult, or "inefficient" about that, it's right in your face every time you visit here.
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You're right, but people tend to put the information in THREADS rather than the calendar, as they are (in the case with TAC anyway) trying to figure out the who/what/when/why/how's of it all. Listen, this isn't a knock again airforumns at all, I just find it easier for TAC to simply have someone (in this case me) aggregate all of the information together and disseminate it into 2 easy to use, dedicated outlets: the website and the magazine. Over59 asked why we have a magazine and a website now, and it's simply for us to get information out there easily. I think it's just easier to have a one-stop shop for all of the TAC info (or really two, the website and the magazine).
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Old 09-26-2010, 04:49 PM   #66
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my God , is anyone ever happy? Complaining about having a club website, and a newsletter? I have come to realize no matter how much or how little you do, someone, or some people are just never happy about it. Maybe yet another club should be started, a club about nothing. Some one would complain about that too.

PS consider me BOHN... Bummed out by human nature.
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my God , is anyone ever happy? Complaining about having a club website, and a newsletter? I have come to realize no matter how much or how little you do, someone, or some people are just never happy about it. Maybe yet another club should be started, a club about nothing. Some one would complain about that too.

PS consider me BOHN... Bummed out by human nature.
Frank, the only solution is to live in a cave. Otherwise, it never stops. You can't please everyone. Burn out is always a problem for people who volunteer because of the complaints and the fact that most people don't help do the work. The amount of work needed in even the simplest organization is daunting.

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Yeah, I'm just going to put the preverbal blinders on from here on out, and just put the stuff together on the website, attend a few rallies and enjoy my family. I'm not in TAC or volunteering for TAC to really please anyone other than myself, as I want a club that has fun with FAMILIES - purely selfish reasons on my part. If it helps ME locate and organize the rallies near me, or stuff that I'm interested in, then I'll still maintain the website even if nobody else uses it. *shrug*
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Huh? When I log on, on the Portal page there's about twenty-five lines there that show ALL the upcoming rallies: "Airstream Rally Calendar" it's called.

The titles give the dates, place and most also show the association giving it.

I don't see anything difficult, or "inefficient" about that, it's right in your face every time you visit here.
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You're right, but people tend to put the information in THREADS rather than the calendar, as they are (in the case with TAC anyway) trying to figure out the who/what/when/why/how's of it all. Listen, this isn't a knock again airforumns at all, I just find it easier for TAC to simply have someone (in this case me) aggregate all of the information together and disseminate it into 2 easy to use, dedicated outlets: the website and the magazine. Over59 asked why we have a magazine and a website now, and it's simply for us to get information out there easily. I think it's just easier to have a one-stop shop for all of the TAC info (or really two, the website and the magazine).
I'm kinda stuck in the middle of both of those outlooks. I think the method(s) of posting and finding rallies on Airforums is very adequate and I'm satisfied with it. That being said, it is nice to be able to go somewhere and find all of just the TAC rallies. Bottom line, the more someone can put into the title of a thread or the title of a calendar entry the better; i.e. TAC, state or major city, date. If you're poking around on Airforums then you have to kinda sift and look for just the TAC events. If you want them all listed and only TAC events, right there in your face, then you use the TAC site.

On a general note, I'm not thrilled with Google groups that is being used by the TAC site so even though I am subscribed to it, I have no plans at this time to start any threads over there. I like the standard forum format like is used here at Airforums and seemingly 95% of all other discussion websites.

I think it's necessary to have the website for sure and for the magazine. In this day and age, if someone tells me that there's such and such a group that I should look in to, my first stop is to Google it. If they don't have their own website, I'm not joining. Having an online newsletter / magazine is just bonus points in my book.
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On a general note, I'm not thrilled with Google groups that is being used by the TAC site so even though I am subscribed to it, I have no plans at this time to start any threads over there. I like the standard forum format like is used here at Airforums and seemingly 95% of all other discussion websites.
* personal note - I am married to Exthemius of TAC webmaster fame. This is not a personal attack on any one individual. Just a general statement to everyone.

Everyone has and is entitled to a preference as to what should or shouldn't be used. A perfect example is the MAC vs PC debate. It' on going and will never end. (MAC RULES!!) However, Exthemius had to make a choice on what to use with very little input from anyone. He needed a format that everyone/anyone could use/update not just a computer/website programmer. That way should he ever need to pass the webmaster job onto someone else they wouldn't need 15 years experience in web design/programming to do the job.

So I would like everyone to consider this:

He stepped up to take on the job. He wasn't asked. He volunteered for it.

He is taking time that would be spent with me, our 8 year old son, and our six year old daughter in order to provide a service for a club he believes in and hopes to participate in for years to come.

He's spent hours helping people who have had problems with the site and trying to figure out how/what the membership would like added. Some people have not been so nice about it either!

His wife is getting upset with people complaining about his choice formats for the website. Not to mention the lack of respect shown in some of the emails he has received!
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