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Old 03-09-2010, 08:02 AM   #1
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TAC - Flash in the Pan?

TAC (The Airstreamers Club) was formed by two members who were very frustrated with the WBCCI. A challenge was posted on AirForums that it was almost impossible to start a new club. TAC was the result of this challenge.

The WBCCI was formed with the resources of the Airstream Corporation behind it and the drive of Helen Schwamborn. It also had the momentum of prior caravans being driven by Wally himself.

Will TAC be anything more than a loose association of "members" supporting an annual "birthday bash". To be anything more it takes vision, drive, stategic planning, etc.

Will TAC be just a "Flash in the Pan"?
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Old 03-09-2010, 08:22 AM   #2
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Will TAC be anything more than a loose association of "members" supporting an annual "birthday bash". To be anything more it takes vision, drive, stategic planning, etc.

Will TAC be just a "Flash in the Pan"?
Yeah I think we have this and more!
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good morning, Dave,

I clearly believe that this is a different time and a different place for most who 'stream, and anyone who has an absolute and definite answer to your question today, should also play the lottery tonite....

it would be great to have both Wally & Helen, and Airstream here and participating. well, one out of the three could physically be here at some time, maybe soon, and I think that the spirit and goodwill of the other two can and should be looked to for guidance.

given the youth of TAC, I'd suggest that we have a great opportunity to shape where it goes through concious and involved effort of all who want to participate. there is time to do this right. when doing design work, we used to say that "the beauty is in the process.... "

I'm working on how I might best contribute. how about you?

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Old 03-09-2010, 08:35 AM   #4
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note to the moderator

good morning,

would it be appropriate to ask you to combine Dave's other post this morning into one thread, as they are similar?

please feel free to kill this post. didn't know how else to ask / suggest.

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Old 03-09-2010, 08:44 AM   #5
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TAC (The Airstreamers Club) was formed by two members who were very frustrated with the WBCCI.......Will TAC be anything more than a loose association of "members" supporting an annual "birthday bash".......Will TAC be just a "Flash in the Pan"?
Dave, I'm trying to respond to both your threads. Perhaps they should be combined because they generally pose the same question.

In my opinion TAC fills a need. There are some of us Airstream owners who qualify for WBCCI membership but do not need the formality of a full club with officers, meetings, elections, politics, egos, etc. We just want to have a good time with my family in the company of like-minded people as time in my schedule permits.

The WBCCI simply does not meet my needs at this time. My perception of that organization (and I truly hope that no one will be offended) is it is comprised primarily for older white retirees with plenty of free time and retirement income to fund this lifestyle. I have asked First Region President Franklin Sanders for age demographics but did not receive a response to that query. Since I have a relatively young family this is important to me.

Furthermore, I do not feel I should be required to join a national organization as a prerequesite to joining the local area "unit". Additionally I do not particularly care for the WBCCI's politics and policies as I understand them. Kicking somebody out of a club because the powers-that-be don't like him is unacceptable to me on general principles. Harassing people with C&D orders from some schmuck lawyers who only want to celebrate Wally's birthday with a get-together is ridiculous. Fiscal irresponsibility is another matter of concern. I cannot support this with even one dime of my hard-gotten funds.

TAC is very informal and ad hoc which is fine with me. So is pay-as-you-play. Since there are no dues there are no expectations of anything so everything that is forthcoming is a bonus. I don't see the need for democratic management or Roberts Rules of Order because I trust the founders to run it properly. Fiscal irresponsibility is not an issue. Even if the only event is that annual "Birthday Bash" to honor Wally Byam. the man who made it all possible, it will be okay with me. I will be proud to display my TAC number VT-1 on my Caravel.

To answer your questions, in my opinion, TAC fills a need that the WBCCI in its present state cannot. We the members can participate in making it what we want it to be.

Finally, the AIRFORUMS is a totally different institution and the get-togethers are secondary to the online community.
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Mister Mike:

I separated the treads because they have different themes.

I started the "Are You Different Thread" for two reasons. It has been stated in other threads on AirForums that there is no need for TAC because AirForums provides everything needed (a posting forum, numbers, rallies, etc). I have also been asked how TAC is it different from the AirForums. I'm not sure that at this time we really know the answer.

The "Flash in the Pan" thread is about staying power. Will TAC have any relevant staying power. No matter what we like or dislike about the WBCCI it has had staying power.

Hope this clarifies.
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Old 03-09-2010, 09:16 AM   #7
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YEAH What Mike said and more. I did comment more in detail but out of courtesy to others I deleted it. The time of World Travel like Wally did are gone.He had all the assets of a corporation behind him with money to burn. I think most of today's Airstreamer's are young hard working people who just want to go for a weekend and forget about the office and relax.They have no desire for Pomp and Ceremony and have no idea what ROBERTS RULES OF ORDER are and really dont care.
Do I think TAC is a FLASH IN THE PAN? NOPE We have already been doin rallys and get togethers just without a formal name.
We joined TAC because we dont have the time left to wait for the WB to get its house in order.
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So instead of Camping.... we now go TAC'n?
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This question seems odd and rather premature. It's been a whole month or so since the TAC was announced, a wintertime month when many folks aren't camping.

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Will TAC be anything more than a loose association of "members" supporting an annual "birthday bash".
Even if that ultimately does become the extent of the TAC, would that be a bad thing? After all, you didn't drop $55 in dues into it to join - just click a button and send an email and you're in.

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To be anything more it takes vision, drive, stategic planning, etc.
One can argue that the WBCCI doesn't have a ton of that either. They have momentum and a history - but that's not quite the same as vision, drive, or strategic planning.

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TAC (The Airstreamers Club) was formed by two members who were very frustrated with the WBCCI. A challenge was posted on AirForums that it was almost impossible to start a new club. TAC was the result of this challenge.

The WBCCI was formed with the resources of the Airstream Corporation behind it and the drive of Helen Schwamborn. It also had the momentum of prior caravans being driven by Wally himself.

Will TAC be anything more than a loose association of "members" supporting an annual "birthday bash". To be anything more it takes vision, drive, stategic planning, etc.

Will TAC be just a "Flash in the Pan"?
Perhaps. But I've been aware of "new club" talk for the 4 years we have been around "The Club". The critical mass just never formed as those who suggested such a thing were "talked to" and lacked the time and resource to take action. That has changed. Resources will not be an issue. For some the increase in dues was a turning point in fact or style, other have been wanting a different format. Even if the WBBCI dues was $0 I would take an active part in TAC. At this point it's a better fit for my "camping" values. We will see if elements of ambition beyond those values emerge in the group. I hope not.
I rather like a loose association of members. I do not need to have my camping managed as a Club member put it. Some may, I don't. I have a wife for that. I for one will initiate an annual TAC gathering. I prefer that language to host or support. It's more of a ...If you they will come... kind of thing.
Great movements are not highly organized in the beginning. They start with someone saying I'm not going to take it anymore and then doing something, refusing to get to the back of the bus, sitting at the lunch counter, burning their bra, or standing up to the Red Coats. They start off chaotic and only become organized when an organizing value emerges that enables people to participate without needing someone to tell them what to do. They know the need action that is required by the movement.
Anyone who doesn't take this seriously has not looked at the resume's of those who understand what the next action required of them is....


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Great movements are not highly organized in the beginning. They start with someone saying I'm not going to take it anymore and then doing something, refusing to get to the back of the bus, sitting at the lunch counter, burning their bra, or standing up to the Red Coats. They start off chaotic and only become organized when an organizing value emerges that enables people to participate without needing someone to tell them what to do. They know the need action that is required by the movement.
This is exactly the philosophy that made this country and I am thankful that it is still inherent in some of our fellow citizens.
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I agree with mistermike & over59 on this one.
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Winners see what they want to have happen and losers see what they are afraid might happen.

I think the guys who started this club are winners who have a vision. The American way.

The will to win is worthless without the will to prepare. I think these guys did their homework.

I have not experienced the other club and I am happy to join TAC. I am not into the pomp and ceremony, and I think TAC's free spirit approach is appealing to me and my wife.

I am sure the other clubs are probably great but TAC did a good sales job for me. I think it was the Birthday bash, The picture of the airstreams sitting in the beautiful field. I am excited about going to N.Y.

There is a new kid on the block which will offer an alternative to the status quo. Pretty cool I think

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Will TAC be just a "Flash in the Pan"?
Do I hear your Motion to renamed it The Flambé Club? And are you indirectly suggesting the founders are nothing more than Flamers? And once they lose their vinegar, they might just flame out? Or will the TAC morph into the Flash-in-the-Can Tourists?
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