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Old 03-10-2010, 09:10 PM   #29
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The letters are already out there Bluebird U just aint got yours yet. Wait till they find out you have TAC IL-1 behind your wb numbers . You are definitely in fer it now.
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Old 03-10-2010, 10:32 PM   #30
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Quite honestly many of the moderators have been here from the early days of the forum. I've been here over 8 years at this point. While we aren't technically the founding members...only one person here is the founder as you mentioned, we are all campers at heart and you will find that the mods are out there at various rallies through out the year either as organizers or active participants. In many cases Airforums has supported the membership at rallies through give aways, attendance prizes, etc. So while you may not have met Andy personally, he has touched many of these events in ways that some of you may not be aware of.

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Don't get me wrong Jack, I was only pointing a "difference". I really appreciate these forums and what it has done for me and my family. In fact, if it werent for these forums I would not be Airstreaming today. Even you Mod's are great people, except for the Richard guy out West...you have to really keep your eye on him.
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Old 03-11-2010, 05:45 AM   #31
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I was going to just let this thread go. I and many out there just do not want to get all wrapped up in politics.

The Airstreamer's Club was founded out of a need. It was started out of a request for something different than what has been offered in the past. It was also started because some said it could not be.

Will The Airstreamer's Club be a flash in the pan? Not sure. "Flash in the pan" is an interesting thing. It comes from the days of flint lock muskets. The guns were very unreliable and temperamental. In order to shoot the gun, a flint strikes a steel and ignites a pile of powder in a small pan next to the barrel. The hope was that the burning powder would then burn into the chamber and ignite the gun powder in the barrel thus causing a controlled explosion to send the musket ball at the target(the accuracy of these guns was not very good I might add). When the flint dropped it often failed to create a spark. Often the spark did not ignite the powder in the pan. Another thing that happened was the powder in the pan would be lit and would flame up, but the gun would not shoot because the flame failed to travel down into the chamber. Thats where the term "flash in the pan" comes from... a big spark and flare up with no bang. However another thing that often happened with these flint locks was that the "flash in the pan" occurred but the gun did not go off right away. Instead the powder(if slightly damp and course) would burn down the chamber one grain at a time. Because it did not go off right away, the shooter was thrown off and would be looking at the pan and not where he was aiming. The gun would then suddenly go off. Often during the revolutionary war men shot the guy in front of him because of loosing focus. The ideal situation was that you got your "flash in the pan", the gun fired, and you actually hit your target.

How great will the Airstreamer's Club be? That is up to you and what you make out of it.
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I think people missed my point. Moderation--like any supervision, oversight or control--changes behavior. In fact, forum moderation exists to ensure participant behavior conforms to an established set of norms. At this point, TAC is unstructured. The original comment I responded to was by SilverLeeper. She said TAC had "attitude" while the Airforums did not. I'm not sure what exactly this "attitude" is, but I'm not surprised someone might see it that way. Airforums (and the moderators) put considerable value on harmony. I'm not objecting or criticizing, just observing. TAC was formed in no small part due to the dissatisfaction with another Airstream Club, an organization where the attempt to impose "harmony" on some members was not universally appreciated. If TAC has more "attitude," I would guess it's because it's unstructured, open and free wheeling... and the "outlaw biker" Airstream owners who have joined thus far probably have more "attitude" than most. In the words of a great outlaw biker, PeeWee Herman, "I'm loner, Dottie, a rebel."
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Old 03-11-2010, 08:47 AM   #33
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The original comment I responded to was by SilverLeeper. She said TAC had "attitude" while the Airforums did not.
Hi hampstead38, I actually resounded to you. Take a look here. http://www.airforums.com/forums/f505...tml#post821756.

You also might what to take a closer look at my avatar.

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Old 03-11-2010, 09:30 AM   #34
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I should be "she said", I think. Say that 5 times fast.
At any rate Hamp you did a great job of defining that extra edge of attitude. The by-line, "Dead Serious about having Fun" is fully appreciated and rich with irony and especially witty when you have the history in mind. Well said, all the way around. Good answer Frank too about flash in the pan. Very interesting too.
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TAC will go on as long as we let it. I for one am proud to be a member, even though I haven't met (in person) any other members yet. I do plan on going to some of the "gatherings" "rallies" whatever you want to call them. I will have fun and I hope you do too. I will bring the karaoke equipment with me every time and if anyone wants me to "set up", I will and we will all have fun singing and laughing and carrying on like the TACky people we are.
Good luck with your negative attitude, I'll keep mine possitive thank you.
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Old 03-11-2010, 10:17 AM   #36
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I saw your response, Lee, but didn't really understand it. You said if TAC were a forum, there would be moderators. I respectfully disagree. In fact, I think one of the primary reasons behind TAC is the desire for an Airstream club without "moderators." One of the challenges (and strengths) of TAC is the iconoclastic and independent members it will inevitably attract. Will the lack of structure and traditional "command-and-control" hierarchy work?

As for the avatar, the cartoon looked pretty "Victor/Victoria" to me and "Lee" is not a gender-specific name. Sorry that I guessed wrong.

Finally, I am a little disappointed by the decision to go with the state/number reference which feels little like imitating the red number thing. I'm more a fan of something less structured like allowing people to pick a word to paint on one's coach. In fact, that's what we'll probably end up doing.
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Old 03-11-2010, 10:33 AM   #38
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I saw your response, Lee, but didn't really understand it. You said if TAC were a forum, there would be moderators. I respectfully disagree. In fact, I think one of the primary reasons behind TAC is the desire for an Airstream club without "moderators." One of the challenges (and strengths) of TAC is the iconoclastic and independent members it will inevitably attract. Will the lack of structure and traditional "command-and-control" hierarchy work?

As for the avatar, the cartoon looked pretty "Victor/Victoria" to me and "Lee" is not a gender-specific name. Sorry that I guessed wrong.

Then I guess we are both in the same boat. I'm a bit lost by your response too.

No need to explain... I probably won't get it anyway.
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Finally, I am a little disappointed by the decision to go with the state/number reference which feels little like imitating the red number thing. I'm more a fan of something less structured like allowing people to pick a word to paint on one's coach. In fact, that's what we'll probably end up doing.
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Finally, I am a little disappointed by the decision to go with the state/number reference which feels little like imitating the red number thing. I'm more a fan of something less structured like allowing people to pick a word to paint on one's coach. In fact, that's what we'll probably end up doing.
the good thing with the référence is that it does allow a mutual recognition when on the road or parked... in a random situation anyhow.

And I would feel comfy to knock at the door of someone that does have the TAC reference.
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Is TAC a flash in the pan?

Maybe yes and maybe no. All WBCCI political reasons aside. It is another opportunity for Airstreamers to get together and do what they like to do. Make friends go camping and have fun.
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