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Old 03-09-2010, 04:14 PM   #15
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I wrote Rob (a bit late) and tossed my hat in the ring. To echo some of the thoughts here, TAC seems a good fit for my wife and me. In most organizations (clubs included) 20 percent of the people do 80 percent of the work. What happens to TAC depends on not on the majority of members, but the dedicated minority. If I were looking at this as investment, I would feel a measure of confidence because Rob has already demonstrated leadership in the WBCCI arena. Frank's passion is boundless. The new club is solidly rooted in "the new media" here and via the VAP. If you had to put money down, would you bet on the high energy, low overhead upstart club... or the incumbent?

I like the opportunity to do put together something epic. I'd love to do a Cairo-to-Capetown caravan. Or a North American caravan from Alaska to Mexico City. I'd love to see TAC have a presence at Burning Man... not something I'd really expect to excite the WBCCI members.

In the long run, I think great, low-key, informal camping will be the backbone of TAC, but I also think the organic, open structure allows for significantly more creativity and flexibility than a more structured organization. Will it succeed? Who knows? I think the possibilities are exciting and I plan to be along for the ride.
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Old 03-09-2010, 08:17 PM   #16
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Dave,

You obviously think it is worth it as you are IL-1. I am curious to know why you would start 2 threads questioning the need for and the sustainability of TAC if you are not a believer. The group (TAC members) believes in the following to name a few; family, travel, fun, comraderie, participation at all levels. What TAC does not believe in to name a few; beuracratic run-around, archaic grievence procedures, the fleecing of its members, non-participation, and toast for breakfast.

One big difference between TAC and Airforums is that you will most likely get to camp with the founding members of TAC. I have yet to see Andy R show up anywhere for a rally to support his own members. I have traveled with, camped with, and laughed with all of the founding members of TAC and even if TAC is just a handful of us that share the same ideals than I am in! The question you have to ask yourself is...are you?
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Old 03-09-2010, 08:49 PM   #17
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Good point. Air Forums Rallys are basically self run spontaneously whereas TAC has two founders. Time will show each emerge and perhaps show more differences. Air Forums rallies seem to go unchallenged from a central point of view.

Questions are always good. Suspicion not so much. One thing TAC has that Air Forums does not is an attitude even in its early days.
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Old 03-10-2010, 06:40 AM   #18
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POI...Andy started a Forum...the members started the Rally's.

Forum members are a very eclectic group...
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Old 03-10-2010, 07:22 AM   #19
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One thing TAC has that Air Forums does not is an attitude even in its early days.
The Airforums have moderators, TAC does not.
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Old 03-10-2010, 09:50 AM   #20
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The Airforums have moderators, TAC does not.
If TAC was a forum it would have moderators....

TAC uses this forum to communicate, promote and organize it's rallies.

Airforums.com has never been a camping club although there has been talk to having it become that.

Airforums.com as it stands right now is just a forum and nothing more.

Airforum Rallies is just a get together of the members of Airforums.com and who ever else whats to join in for some socializing and camping.
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Old 03-10-2010, 09:53 AM   #21
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I think Airforums now should be our communication network and TAC our get-together group,club what ever you want to call it. We also have camped with Rob and Zoe and Dragonwagon Dave and CJ and Airboss,loudruff ,silver sister,Soldier Medic, the the list is long.GREAT PEOPLE to be with. Im really glad we are TAC,ie .We are looking forward to meeting even more new TAC IE friends this season.
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Old 03-10-2010, 10:12 AM   #22
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One big difference between TAC and Airforums is that you will most likely get to camp with the founding members of TAC. I have yet to see Andy R show up anywhere for a rally to support his own members.
Quite honestly many of the moderators have been here from the early days of the forum. I've been here over 8 years at this point. While we aren't technically the founding members...only one person here is the founder as you mentioned, we are all campers at heart and you will find that the mods are out there at various rallies through out the year either as organizers or active participants. In many cases Airforums has supported the membership at rallies through give aways, attendance prizes, etc. So while you may not have met Andy personally, he has touched many of these events in ways that some of you may not be aware of.

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Old 03-10-2010, 11:10 AM   #23
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The internet has promoted a new type of decentralization through it's communications function. TAC is an outgrowth of that. How it will develop cannot be known now. I can handle a bit of chaos.

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r a North American caravan from Alaska to Mexico City. I'd love to see TAC have a presence at Burning Man...
Both are on out list. Would not consider the costly "all the handholding and entertainment you don't want approach". How about a North American Coastal Tour. People could join up and leave as they wish. East coast from new Brunswich to Key West to Houston to Mexico to Portland, to Denali and back across Canada. We have been looking at this for four years. Given the world is ending 12/22/2012 maybe I need to get started.
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Will TAC be anything more than a loose association of "members" supporting an annual "birthday bash". To be anything more it takes vision, drive, stategic planning, etc.

Will TAC be just a "Flash in the Pan"?
Bluebird, aren't you supposed to ask these questions before you join?

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Bluebird, aren't you supposed to ask these questions before you join?

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That doesn't matter as a grievance will probably be filed against me and I will be expelled. For that matter, all of the clubs can throw me out.
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Old 03-10-2010, 02:48 PM   #27
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The "Flash in the Pan" thread is about staying power. Will TAC have any relevant staying power. No matter what we like or dislike about the WBCCI it has had staying power.

Hope this clarifies.
Hey Bluebird; Enron had staying power and then suddenly Magic Carpet lost all engines. I fail to see a problem from any point of view when it comes to starting a new club. Our reason for going camping is to get away from formalities, duties, daily life's demands and deceptive forms of politics into which we are being immersed in daily life. I want to camp with others who feel the same way about camping. It is about having fun. Will I run into people who can be difficult to like? Most likely, but you will find them in WBCCI as well. Will I find some to be unruly? Most likely. But it is not any different feeling from one when someone forces their will upon me in the name of WBCCI. It is a free Country. Folks want to have fun in a new club, they can. If you have a problem with it, do not join. But you have no right to show any negativity toward something which has not had a chance to blossom. I believe however that no one has the solid reason yet for knocking this fledgling organization down. I do not like the way WBCCI is ruled and I never became a member. I do not complain because I have no right to do so. Thanks, "Boatdoc"
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How about a North American Coastal Tour. People could join up and leave as they wish. East coast from new Brunswich to Key West to Houston to Mexico to Portland, to Denali and back across Canada. We have been looking at this for four years. Given the world is ending 12/22/2012 maybe I need to get started.

Sounds great! I'm in as long as you add CA coast or do you think it will be gone before you arrive ( :
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