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06-11-2017, 06:12 PM
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Rivet Master
1966 22' Safari
Hilltop Lakes
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Bondo works on aluminum, but it's got to be stripped clean down to the metal and sanded or it won't stick.
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06-11-2017, 06:37 PM
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Rivet Master
1963 22' Safari
2020 27' Globetrotter
State of
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My thought was they are making all sorts of seam sealers and epoxies for aluminum body repairs on the f-150's etc and I could build it up from behind. Other than the two holes (big one is not quite the size of a quarter) the panel is solid and not pitted enough to need filler.
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Scott & Megan
VAC LIBRARIAN WBCCI 8671
1963 Safari from the 1963-64 Around the World Caravan
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06-11-2017, 06:38 PM
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Rivet Master
1963 22' Safari
2020 27' Globetrotter
State of
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But your right beyond the right product surface prep surface prep surface prep
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VAC LIBRARIAN WBCCI 8671
1963 Safari from the 1963-64 Around the World Caravan
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06-12-2017, 07:30 AM
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#124
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Rivet Master
1963 22' Safari
2020 27' Globetrotter
State of
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I'm going to visit the paint store this morning to pick some brains on what products might be appropriate for this (if any).
I'm excited that I've tracked down through awesome forums members the cooling unit for the refrigerator, the table base, and the stove but I am starting to panic that I haven't found the refrigerator I need. I've come across a dozen Marvel refrigerators but can't find the Kreft model. Wally debuted this refrigerator in our trailer and I feel it's a really important piece to find. If anyone has one or knows someone who does, I'll gladly buy it and pay to ship it freight to us working or not. I've had ads on the classifieds, facebook vintage trailer parts sites, the VAC facebook, and craigslist in major cities. Please spread the word as I really hope to find one before this winter when cabinet work hopefully starts.
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VAC LIBRARIAN WBCCI 8671
1963 Safari from the 1963-64 Around the World Caravan
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06-12-2017, 08:32 AM
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Rivet Master
1962 22' Safari
2016 30' Classic
Southeast
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Join Date: Mar 2004
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Hi Scott, Being a painted trailer, I think the epoxy idea is very reasonable. Some might prefer it because it retains more originality than replacement panels. Either solution seems viable to me.
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Wally Byam Caravan Club International Historian
Vintage Airstream Club Historian
WBCCI/VAC #702 & #6768
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06-12-2017, 06:01 PM
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#126
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Rivet Master
1963 22' Safari
2020 27' Globetrotter
State of
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I did some aircraft stripper today and had some good results. You can see the dark areas where the alclad layer is gone. I spoke to the paint supply guys and they feel with good prep they have a panel adhesive and mesh to reinforce from the back that bonds to aluminum very well and doesn't harden like bondo or fiberglass.
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VAC LIBRARIAN WBCCI 8671
1963 Safari from the 1963-64 Around the World Caravan
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06-12-2017, 06:06 PM
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#127
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Rivet Master
1963 22' Safari
2020 27' Globetrotter
State of
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I did some more careful paint removal/exploration on the country list panel. The trailer just have 10-15 coats of paint, the last few with a roller. In some areas the paint was so thick it has cracked and fallen off to bare aluminum. I did find part of the "R" most of the "O" and part of the "P" from "Europe". for comparison.
And traces of the Wally Byam Caravan sticker.
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VAC LIBRARIAN WBCCI 8671
1963 Safari from the 1963-64 Around the World Caravan
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06-13-2017, 05:39 PM
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#128
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Rivet Master
1963 22' Safari
2020 27' Globetrotter
State of
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VAC LIBRARIAN WBCCI 8671
1963 Safari from the 1963-64 Around the World Caravan
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06-13-2017, 06:10 PM
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Rivet Master
1963 22' Safari
2020 27' Globetrotter
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Mysteries being solved
Joe found a picture of a young lady in the doorway that showed a hint of a wall furnace behind her. We have a contact with a forums member in the LA area with an interior we plan to pick up this fall from a 55 and it has the same type of heater in great shape (as pictured). The holes in the ceiling make sense, an oval hole for the furnace vent, and a round hole for the exhaust on the refrigerator and signs of the wall dividers on the wall for a narrow bulkhead to hide it. I also removed the patches up front as mentioned in the previous post and found where the gas lines came up.
Blue is where the refrigerator gas line came up through the floor, and red is where the heater gas line came up. Once the stripping is done up front I'm going to remove the inside skins, and front inside end cap for repairs and panel replacement (4 of the 9, yes 9 upper interior segments are completely rotted away but they are flat material. While it's out I can repair the rotted outer metal and seal it all up, rebuild the front window and install a front hold down plate that wasn't there at all. I know it's not original and I intend to keep it original but I don't want the front pulling apart like it did a very long time ago. This trailer has a lot of butt behind the axles.
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1963 Safari from the 1963-64 Around the World Caravan
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06-13-2017, 10:19 PM
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Rivet Master
1958 26' Overlander
Battle Ground
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When you come down for the parts we've discussed, bring the dimensions, specs for that heater, I may have some of the mechanical parts for it. I'm updating to a suburban furnace that is hidden under the frig, but keeping the heater grill to hide all the updated electrical controls/monitors.
Harold
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06-14-2017, 08:00 AM
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#131
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Rivet Master
1963 22' Safari
2020 27' Globetrotter
State of
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Thanks Harold! I'm planning on heading that way towards the end of next week. I'll see what I can find out about the heater before then!
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1963 Safari from the 1963-64 Around the World Caravan
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06-14-2017, 06:26 PM
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Rivet Master
1963 22' Safari
2020 27' Globetrotter
State of
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1963 Safari from the 1963-64 Around the World Caravan
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06-24-2017, 11:38 AM
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Rivet Master
1963 22' Safari
2020 27' Globetrotter
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Getting there! A couple more hours tomorrow morning and the front end cap segments will be stripped. Then in mornings I will continue to work my way around the lower front and at least back to the wheel well. Tomorrow afternoon I'm going to pull the front inner sheet metal and prep the upper outer cap for repair.
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1963 Safari from the 1963-64 Around the World Caravan
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06-24-2017, 11:39 AM
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Rivet Master
1963 22' Safari
2020 27' Globetrotter
State of
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06-24-2017, 04:32 PM
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Rivet Master
1991 34' Excella
1963 26' Overlander
1961 26' Overlander
Central
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That's looking much better!
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06-24-2017, 06:39 PM
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Rivet Master
1963 22' Safari
2020 27' Globetrotter
State of
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Thanks! It's slow for sure, 1 1/2 segments cleaned up in 3+ hours. The layers as best I can tell
1. green etching primer
2. gray sealer
3. original paint color (tough paint too, I wonder if it wasn't aircraft paint)
4,5,6?? various similar shades
almost top coat seems to be the cool seal rv roof sealer, put on with a brush I think
top coat is silver spray paint.
I've used almost a gallon of Aircraft stripper on just the upper front end cap segments. The good news is the sides don't seem to have as many layers, I'm guessing the front leaked a lot or was beat up going down the road a lot and kept getting new paint.
The 4" round hole was from a vent they added for the refrigerator at some point. It's going to get patched. I'm thinking I'll do a round patch slightly larger then just fill the old screw holes with rivets, unless people think it will look better with a bigger patch using the old holes...
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1963 Safari from the 1963-64 Around the World Caravan
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06-24-2017, 08:34 PM
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Rivet Master
1991 34' Excella
1963 26' Overlander
1961 26' Overlander
Central
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If you want to plug an old hole, look into flush rivets. They can disappear when painted.
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06-25-2017, 01:11 PM
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#138
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Rivet Master
1963 22' Safari
2020 27' Globetrotter
State of
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I did more paint stripping today. Most of the time was detail work on the end cap segments do no great pictures. I did try a garbage bag over the chemical to let it soak in longer without evaporating. Helped some. The door is going to take some work!
I was successful in removing the salvageable half of the inner cap, and the half that is going to be used for patterns. The damage to the cap was from water, the area was packed full of insulation and it was all wet.
I cleaned a lot on the inside surface with sand paper, wire wheel and the like and treated it with baking soda just in case something is eating at it.
Tomorrow I'll do a final cleaning, install the adhesive mesh and put on a coat of the epoxy panel adhesive.
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06-25-2017, 01:12 PM
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#139
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Rivet Master
1963 22' Safari
2020 27' Globetrotter
State of
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Join Date: Jul 2007
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06-25-2017, 01:46 PM
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#140
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Rivet Master
1966 22' Safari
Hilltop Lakes
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Join Date: Jun 2008
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Or, make a flush patch
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Originally Posted by HiHoAgRV
If you want to plug an old hole, look into flush rivets. They can disappear when painted.
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You might consider a flush patch--round piece of aluminum the exact size of the hole with a larger backing piece inside, all secured with flush rivets. That will disappear with a tiny bit of filler and then paint.
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