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Old 12-20-2014, 04:56 PM   #29
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Thanks for that, InterBlog. Those are the same lights LED bulbs, in warm white that we put in our 2007 Safari. Unfortunately the 2015's have hardware LED fixture, not replaceable bulbs, and the price from A/S is not cheap.

I just returned from the local costume & display store with a couple of sheets of theatrical gel in warm-white tones. So I will report after experimenting.

We certainly agree that the stock lights in the 2015 International are "ghoulish" and very uncomfortable. Hopefully we will get this sorted soon, and restore "serenity" to our lighting - as we love the trailer in the daylight...

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Old 12-20-2014, 05:22 PM   #30
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We replaced all the lights in our 06 Safari SE Bambi (SEs have the aluminum interior and were renamed Flying Clouds in 2009. I think is was 2009.). We started the transition with warm white LEDs but we didn't like what they did to color. So we ended up with cool white LEDs. It took a bit of getting used to, but now we are very happy with the cooler white light. It seems we are in the minority in this preference, but we are happy. Changing to LEDs was one of the best things we've done to help conserve power while dry camping ... not only do they draw far less power, they generate far less heat than the original halogens did.
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Old 12-20-2014, 05:58 PM   #31
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I use a mix. Most all are warm, but I prefer cool over work counters and the overhead between the wardrobe and fridge. The cool white works to see dark areas better for me.

The bath overhead is cool as well....better for makeup and such, so I'm told.
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Old 12-20-2014, 08:10 PM   #32
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When we remodeled our 71 Tradewind, I replaced the overhead central lights with indirect lighting at the edges, and task lighting over the counters and desk. All the indirect lighting is 2700K strip LEDs; the task lighting is 3000K (sli ghtly less yellow). This has worked out very well. We typically use the interior lights only in the evening, and the warmer color makes for a cozy and comfortable feeling.

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Old 12-20-2014, 08:32 PM   #33
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Well, the theatrical gel (tinted plastic sheet) looks like it will work well, and we can get by for about $30 and a few hours effort. I have now covered all the interior lights with small squares of it, taped over the fixture in temporary prototype form. It really is waaay better, and very comfortable. It transforms our feelings about our new trailer after dark.

I got a sheet of light straw, light amber, and frosted. The ceiling lights all have a single layer of the light amber and the frosted, except I left the frosted off the ceiling lights above the galley. The 4 surface mount task light fixtures were a bit more blue, and I added a layer of the straw, but no frosted to them to match the rest. The lights in the upper cabinets got two layers of te light amber to warm them further. I also replaced the two halogen bulbs in the range hood with warm white LEDs from led4rv, left over from our previous trailer - they are an almost perfect match to the halogen in warmth and brightness, but not too hot to touch and less taxing on the solar panel/battery.

Now I have to remove bezels, cut to shape and make a more permanent installation. We are going to be happy campers.

Thanks for suggestions, all. Please continue to weigh in on warm vs cool preferences.

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Old 12-20-2014, 08:55 PM   #34
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I would suggest using "warm" LEDs. 2700 K. 5000 k are way to bright/strong.
I have 2700K LEDs in my house and 25 FB. Both are perfect.
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Old 12-20-2014, 09:38 PM   #35
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I forgot to mention, the colr temperature of the stock "cool white" fixtures, after filtering, is not quite as warm as the "warm white" leds from led4rv. They are perhaps three quarters of the way toward "warm" from "cool." This makes for comfortable lighting for us.

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Old 12-20-2014, 10:24 PM   #36
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I have just finished installing a third light in my bathroom and left it as bright white for now, mainly so I can see better in the mirror. This added light has a switch on it so i can turn it off and just have the two "warm white" pucks for most activity.
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Old 12-21-2014, 06:32 AM   #37
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T...Unfortunately the 2015's have hardware LED fixture, not replaceable bulbs, and the price from A/S is not cheap.
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Wow, I did not know that! That is not a good thing from a number of perspectives, including the fact that LED technology is not yet where it should be in terms of longevity. We have replaced our kitchen (non-wheeled house) under-counter lights perhaps 3 times in the past 5 years because they keep dimming out. Sure, LEDs last for X number of hours and X is reportedly huge, but that claim doesn't count for much if they fade away in the meantime. Hopefully this will not be a big problem with Airstream's fixtures.
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Old 12-21-2014, 07:09 AM   #38
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The LED longevity issue is due to the thousands of manufacturers in China and other countries with no quality control. The LEDs I purchase from Dan at LED4RV are from reliable manufacturers. I have had some which have been on continuously for over three years with no failure. And, In the event I have a failure, Dan will cover this....I do not know for how long, but in the early days of LED the failure was almost always fairly quick.

Also, Dan tests his product. Most of the stuff on the internet at the very low prices is not worth the effort as the failure rate in my experience is in the 25-50% rate and the "warranty" for cheap LEDs is good only for a few months, requires shipping back and in some cases a "handling fee".

Dan has always been reliable in my interactions, replacing any failures with new product with out question. Also, he has many replacement parts for Airstream, including light fixtures with replaceable LEDs.

One caveat, however, LEDs will fail if driven momentarily with a voltage higher than specified. In my house I have multiple installations of LED strips, rated at 15v, driven by controlled power sources at 12v.
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Old 12-21-2014, 07:10 AM   #39
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I don't think it's a matter of LED technology no being where it should be. I think it's a bunch of substandard producers jumping on the band wagon. Some, usually the more expensive, of the better retailers ferret out the good ones. Unfortunately, it's trial and error for us.
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Lee Lighting Gels Amber #628

I just did this in my 2013 27' FB last weekend:

1) I bought a Lee Lighting Gels sheet from Amazon. The Amber color is perfect to make warm incandescent color.

2) Use a VERY small screwdriver (like one for eye glasses) to pop off the innermost cover. They take a little force.

3) Make a cardboard template that fits inside.

4) Cut out the gels, put them inside and push them back into place.

5) The covers on the reading lights above the bed just unscrew with a small twist and you can put a gel piece in there too.

The entire job took me about 1 hour. I also replaced the halogens in the stove hood with warm white LED's to save electricity.

Good luck Charlie!

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Old 12-21-2014, 11:39 AM   #41
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Yes, Kurt, that is exactly what I am planning to do. It is good to hear from you and others that this has worked successfully. We are trying subtle color variations using one or more layers of different colored gels. We also find a frosted layer on the bottom is helpful on some locations, as it softens the light slightly.

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The huge advantage of the gels is for a small investment one can experiment with a wide variety of colors. I may be ordering some almost reddish gels to see what happens....maybe a magenta is what I want....who knows.
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